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A carebears ramblings on mercs and war decs

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Christine Peeveepeeski
Low Sec Concepts
#41 - 2013-12-21 07:58:18 UTC
I simply found best way to not get decced is a) not be in areas of high sec where local has to be scrolled through or better yet b) move to low sec where decs mean nothing at all because EVERYONE wants to punch in your ****.
Barbara Nichole
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#42 - 2013-12-22 03:04:45 UTC
You have discovered the dirty secret of eve, all players who stick to the adage, "only fly what you can afford to lose" are to a degree carebears.. They do not want to be destitute; to what degree they are carebears is determined by what they are able to or willing to risk. Everyone has their price, their limit, the line they just won't cross... unless they are just stupid or insane.

Sure fight back; that is part of the game afterall. Just don't ever expect or demand that your opponents must adhere to your rules of engagement.

  - remove the cloaked from local; free intel is the real problem, not  "afk" cloaking -

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Kagura Nikon
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#43 - 2013-12-23 09:01:00 UTC
Barbara Nichole wrote:
You have discovered the dirty secret of eve, all players who stick to the adage, "only fly what you can afford to lose" are to a degree carebears.. They do not want to be destitute; to what degree they are carebears is determined by what they are able to or willing to risk. Everyone has their price, their limit, the line they just won't cross... unless they are just stupid or insane.

Sure fight back; that is part of the game afterall. Just don't ever expect or demand that your opponents must adhere to your rules of engagement.



aaa nope. Not at all.

Peopel that fly what they cannot afford to loose are the carebears, Because they do not expect conflict.

Anyoen that is not a carebear know sthey might loose a ship and will not undock in somethign that loosign will make him rage quit,

"If brute force does not solve your problem....  then you are  surely not using enough!"
Tootsie Fruit
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#44 - 2014-01-07 09:37:09 UTC
Kagura Nikon wrote:
Barbara Nichole wrote:
You have discovered the dirty secret of eve, all players who stick to the adage, "only fly what you can afford to lose" are to a degree carebears.. They do not want to be destitute; to what degree they are carebears is determined by what they are able to or willing to risk. Everyone has their price, their limit, the line they just won't cross... unless they are just stupid or insane.

Sure fight back; that is part of the game afterall. Just don't ever expect or demand that your opponents must adhere to your rules of engagement.



aaa nope. Not at all.

Peopel that fly what they cannot afford to loose are the carebears, Because they do not expect conflict.

Anyoen that is not a carebear know sthey might loose a ship and will not undock in somethign that loosign will make him rage quit,


+1

A few days ago saw a killmail in local of a CNR that had about 9bil isk in mods on it(osmon). You seriously wouldn't see that on a PvPers ship ever. Most of those mods shouldn't be on marauder and there massive tank, let alone a easily gankable faction BS.
Searbhreathach
Inevitable Outcome
E.C.H.O
#45 - 2014-01-07 11:40:12 UTC
having done nulsec sov war,back ops dropping, low sec,faction warfare wormhole pvp and highsec merc work i can honestly say that the highsec pvp was some of the most rewarding i ever had, the thrill was always in compiling the corp lists, seeing whos online and running locators then traveling to the system with an alt and getting all excited when you find a faction battleship running missions or killing an eve uni while tanking a 40 man fleet on the hek undock and then deagressing and docking up
Anya Klibor
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#46 - 2014-01-07 12:50:16 UTC
Tootsie Fruit wrote:
Kagura Nikon wrote:
Barbara Nichole wrote:
You have discovered the dirty secret of eve, all players who stick to the adage, "only fly what you can afford to lose" are to a degree carebears.. They do not want to be destitute; to what degree they are carebears is determined by what they are able to or willing to risk. Everyone has their price, their limit, the line they just won't cross... unless they are just stupid or insane.

Sure fight back; that is part of the game afterall. Just don't ever expect or demand that your opponents must adhere to your rules of engagement.



aaa nope. Not at all.

Peopel that fly what they cannot afford to loose are the carebears, Because they do not expect conflict.

Anyoen that is not a carebear know sthey might loose a ship and will not undock in somethign that loosign will make him rage quit,


+1

A few days ago saw a killmail in local of a CNR that had about 9bil isk in mods on it(osmon). You seriously wouldn't see that on a PvPers ship ever. Most of those mods shouldn't be on marauder and there massive tank, let alone a easily gankable faction BS.


I can't say that losing any ship I own would make me ragequit. In all honesty, I'd be annoyed. I fly expensive ships because I believe that if I do, I will be more likely to pay attention and give it my A-game. If I fly nothing but T1 frigates and cruisers, those are disposable ships, easily replaced. You don't pay much attention to them because of that fact. However, if you bring out a Loki, or a Vindicator into a fleet you pay more attention, because you have something expensive on the line. I Can afford to replace them, sure, but it's not like I want to.

Leadership is something you learn. Maybe one day, you'll learn that.
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen
Doomheim
#47 - 2014-01-07 18:02:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Feyd Rautha Harkonnen
The problem IMHO is CCP is actually trying to nerf hisec non-consensual pew, without appearing to do so; this has been documented many places, here included...

...but with wars particularly is the frustrating fact that many have offered up good ideas to increase pew-responses from dec targets which are continually ignored by CCP. To name one of my favorites for example, would be to put all wardec fees in a pot that can be claimed by the defending corp based on value killed -- inspiring them to come out and fight to claim the aggressors ISK. Just one of many ideas people have come up with to get wardecs meaningful and pew-inspiring to the defender...

I just hope one day one of us with some experience with the wardec lifestyle gets on the CSM and yells about this **** loudly. Perhaps Psychotic Monk...or the like. Sadly however CCP seem fixated instead on carebear-love with their mobile tractor units, and pending unlimited micro jump modules and d-scan/probe invulnerability modules for use in mission pockets... Ugh.

F

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Noxisia Arkana
Deadspace Knights
#48 - 2014-01-07 18:18:54 UTC
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:
The problem IMHO is CCP is actually trying to nerf hisec non-consensual pew, without appearing to do so; this has been documented many places, here included...

...but with wars particularly is the frustrating fact that many have offered up good ideas to increase pew-responses from dec targets which are continually ignored by CCP. To name one of my favorites for example, would be to put all wardec fees in a pot that can be claimed by the defending corp based on value killed -- inspiring them to come out and fight to claim the aggressors ISK. Just one of many ideas people have come up with to get wardecs meaningful and pew-inspiring to the defender...

F


That's actually pretty genius. I would certianly get some corp mates to jump into tornados/thrashers to try to claim some of that.
Sylphy
TSOE Po1ice
TSOE Consortium
#49 - 2014-01-14 08:26:23 UTC
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen wrote:
The problem IMHO is CCP is actually trying to nerf hisec non-consensual pew, without appearing to do so; this has been documented many places, here included...


Uhhh.. you consent to PvP when you undock from a station. What's this un-consensual pew that you're talking about? If anything, CCP is striving for more conflict and more ways to kill that neighbour with a shovel you just stopped shoveling crap with. More conflict means more spending of ships and modules, and that generates revenue for them.

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Kagura Nikon
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#50 - 2014-01-14 09:15:38 UTC
angelic monster wrote:
Yes this is a forum alt, I don't really fancy having too many war decs active.

I've been in several corporations that have been war decced multiple times and have seen first hand what an organised merc corp are capable of, seeing 4 ships take on 10 and win was an awe inspiring site and 1 I enjoyed despite being on the losing side. We've fought against a 1 man corp with nuetral logi's and had a lot of fun, the chat in local alone inspired us to try more pvp, again we may have lost that war but we did so while fighting back.

We have had a war where not only did we finally manage to win but chased them across highsec till they just refused to undock whenever we where nearby (I would use the term carbears for them but don't want to put them under our name)

Then we had the griefer war decs, who's sole reason for playing eve is tears, they camp the trade routes killing any unsuspecting war target stupid enough to pass through, well almost any war target, whenever its a ship that can defend itself they run to the nearest station. Repeatedly we would try to crash their camps only to see them warping off and dock, staying there until we finally leave system, they don't respond in local unless they have just killed you. Even when 2 of us in cruisers jumped into their 5 man bc camp they fled, its almost as if they are afraid to lose ships. That said I've had some good times watching local when these griefers get their tears and would not want this type of gameplay to stop.

That leads me to the point of this thread, encouraging carebears like myself to fight back.

When forced into a war dec against their will, I have seen experienced players tell newer players to stay docked up, undocking will just make them continue the war.
Whilst I do my best to get fleets going and stand our ground, it can be hard work and the outcome rests solely on the aggressive corp, when they are polite, helpful by offering advice on fits and tactics, and they don't continue the war I can generally get 1 or 2 carebears to enjoy pvp, many of whom then go on to leave the corp for a life of pvp.

But when there is nothing but ganking haulers and pve ships, when our fleets find no fight waiting for us, when we got blobbed or when the "don't fight" advice turns out to be correct and the war is continued just because we fought back, I see players stop logging on, or refusing to undock which is the exact opposite of what you, the mercs should want.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that the wars can be made enjoyable for both sides, but it does require several things to happen, some of which you mercs can make happen.

While I realise this may not actually get many mercs to change their ways, if even just 1 merc corp changes its ways and inturn 1 carebear trys to pvp and enjoys it then it was worth my time writing it.

Tldr; if you can't be bothered to read my post then I can't be bothered to write a tldr, and you properly wouldn't understand my ramblings anyway.


The most important part on that.. is new players should join the CORRECT corps and groups. They should NEVEr listen to anythign in NPC corp chat.. there are only lies there.


The sooner they join Eve Uni, the better for them. OR.. beleive or not a low sec corp. There they will teach him how to fight, and they can do MORE isk per hour than they can do in high sec ( yes with low sp and limited to cruisers and below you make more isk in low sec).

New player sneed to learn that fighting is FUN!!!


"If brute force does not solve your problem....  then you are  surely not using enough!"
Sarah xCalibre
Pod Liberation Authority
#51 - 2014-01-14 09:34:13 UTC
Kagura Nikon wrote:
angelic monster wrote:
Yes this is a forum alt, I don't really fancy having too many war decs active.

I've been in several corporations that have been war decced multiple times and have seen first hand what an organised merc corp are capable of, seeing 4 ships take on 10 and win was an awe inspiring site and 1 I enjoyed despite being on the losing side. We've fought against a 1 man corp with nuetral logi's and had a lot of fun, the chat in local alone inspired us to try more pvp, again we may have lost that war but we did so while fighting back.

We have had a war where not only did we finally manage to win but chased them across highsec till they just refused to undock whenever we where nearby (I would use the term carbears for them but don't want to put them under our name)

Then we had the griefer war decs, who's sole reason for playing eve is tears, they camp the trade routes killing any unsuspecting war target stupid enough to pass through, well almost any war target, whenever its a ship that can defend itself they run to the nearest station. Repeatedly we would try to crash their camps only to see them warping off and dock, staying there until we finally leave system, they don't respond in local unless they have just killed you. Even when 2 of us in cruisers jumped into their 5 man bc camp they fled, its almost as if they are afraid to lose ships. That said I've had some good times watching local when these griefers get their tears and would not want this type of gameplay to stop.

That leads me to the point of this thread, encouraging carebears like myself to fight back.

When forced into a war dec against their will, I have seen experienced players tell newer players to stay docked up, undocking will just make them continue the war.
Whilst I do my best to get fleets going and stand our ground, it can be hard work and the outcome rests solely on the aggressive corp, when they are polite, helpful by offering advice on fits and tactics, and they don't continue the war I can generally get 1 or 2 carebears to enjoy pvp, many of whom then go on to leave the corp for a life of pvp.

But when there is nothing but ganking haulers and pve ships, when our fleets find no fight waiting for us, when we got blobbed or when the "don't fight" advice turns out to be correct and the war is continued just because we fought back, I see players stop logging on, or refusing to undock which is the exact opposite of what you, the mercs should want.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that the wars can be made enjoyable for both sides, but it does require several things to happen, some of which you mercs can make happen.

While I realise this may not actually get many mercs to change their ways, if even just 1 merc corp changes its ways and inturn 1 carebear trys to pvp and enjoys it then it was worth my time writing it.

Tldr; if you can't be bothered to read my post then I can't be bothered to write a tldr, and you properly wouldn't understand my ramblings anyway.


The most important part on that.. is new players should join the CORRECT corps and groups. They should NEVEr listen to anythign in NPC corp chat.. there are only lies there.


The sooner they join Eve Uni, the better for them. OR.. beleive or not a low sec corp. There they will teach him how to fight, and they can do MORE isk per hour than they can do in high sec ( yes with low sp and limited to cruisers and below you make more isk in low sec).

New player sneed to learn that fighting is FUN!!!





Just because you think fighting is fun doesnt mean every player in EvE has to think its fun, I do believe its neccessary to be able to defend yourself but not neccessarily to actively get fights. Believe it or not not everything in EvE is about pvp some people just likes to hang with friends while shooting red crosses or suck on thoose big rocks, hell without thoose people we probably wouldnt have ships to fight in.

Highsec wardecs has been broken from the very start imo, its way too cheap to grief others but meh you live and learn, you are right about joining the right corp though, or for that matter dont join a corp with your friends. Creating a corp in eve just makes you more vulnerable if you are into things like mining, missioning anyways or other carebear stuffs.
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