Player Features and Ideas Discussion

You are way underestimating the frigates, or you'll use a very specific fit, like with no prop but 3 webs. AB frigates have no trouble orbiting anything with medium guns and larger and usually have enough tank to kill drones. Not to mention none of these is a T1 cruiser.

Define safe.

@#$%@#$'ing auto-correct...

Oh, every opportunity there was a box to expand on…

I don't care what you or your cronies say RLML was not OP, there are many weapons and ships in the game that truly are but always seem to get left alone, or worse buffed even more. RLML was very good, it was the best medium missile system, but it was not OP by the standards of any reasonable person. The main complaint about RLML is that it was good against frigates, but why should that not be the case? Short range turrets are extremely good at close range dps, far better than any missile in web range, does that make them OP? Long range turrets are extremely good at high alpha instant dps, which makes them far better for long range sniping than any missile system could be... does that mean they are OP? Or does it just mean they are good at doing what they are intended for. RLML were good at screening fleets from interceptors and good for solo pvp, but they would lose against blasters in scram range and long range turrets were still better at sniping; they had a viable role being the best at something does not = OP.

HAM's are not up to scratch, and HML's are decidedly under powered which leaves a gaping hole in my ship progression and even fewer options for missile pvp. Like a lot of other Caldari pilots I pay to play this game, and its not balanced for us. Why do the devs think its okay to throw paying customers under a bus to please other sections of the community who have obvious agenda's.

But if nothing is within warping distance you will stay, trying to separate/engage another frig without reloading and then perhaps the 3rd one in the same way?

You did mention in your first post "ANY" ship. However, its not about it being a HAC/BC that matters, its fhe fact you can fit an active tank on these ships far easier than most t1 cruisers. Plus, ishtar is just a frigate nuking ship anyway, drone hitpoints/damage bonuses? yea.. most frigates won't stand a chance against that regardless.

When you're active tank, 8/10 its a brawler ship. Which means, scram/web and potential neuts. These are not ships that you would typically find kiting, except maybe the ishtar or maybe SFI (both shield fit).. but those are generally armor active tanked.

The ships i'm using though are sparsely fit for tank, but max damage and speed. This therefore gives me the most damage i can achieve in the clip, and makes it a lot easier to separate frigs from the blob. Its a completely different play style than brawlers. Most brawlers can easily kill frigs, regardless of weapon type.

Kiting ships that could, depending on fit/skills, easily kill most frigs

Stabber
thorax
Bellicose
Potentially a caracal if you set it up for max speed/damage

Those are the T1's that i can think of that could get away with kiting and being able to kill 1 or more frigs (depending on the situation).

The only way i could see the caracal doing this is fitting it similar to my belli. Either go with tp or web. Web will allow you to apply max dps and have some range control if they frig gets ontop of you. TP will allow you project 275DPS out to 30KM with precisions. If someone would actually, genuinely want to try it, and fly it properly (as a kiter, not a brawler) here is the fit i propose:

[Caracal, Anti-Frig]
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Ballistic Control System II
Ballistic Control System II

Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Warp Disruptor II
Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I Or PWNAGE TP

Rapid Light Missile Launcher II
Rapid Light Missile Launcher II
Rapid Light Missile Launcher II
Rapid Light Missile Launcher II
Rapid Light Missile Launcher II

Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Warhead Calefaction Catalyst I
Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I

Warrior II x2

Its 18k EHP (almost 10K in shield) i believe, could easily be tweaked for more tank, but then you sacrifice dps/speed. You could add an additional BCU or DCU in place of one of the nanos. If you added a BCU, you could drop rig for another extender/resist rig. Bellicose is only 100 m/s faster than caracal, and it also get RoF bonus like the caracal. So.. if i can kill a frig in a belli, the caracal should be able to just as easily.

Yes. Generally I can kite and speed around them at 100-150km. Dive in to 50km a few times to see who follows. Kill them as I burnback to 100 if possible. I could easily reload on grid. The only issues are when they tackle me and they have guys offgrid, that's when I kill him, I leave. Theres many occasions that when I'm aligning to warp after killing tackle, people start landing on grid.

Explosion velocity is overrated. Explosion radius trumps explosion velocity and then some. Ditto for rigors vs. flares - a T1 rigor is more effective than a T2 flare. This is because explosion radius helps offset speed while explosion velocity doesn't help offset signature. This was previously indicated to me, and as incredulous as it sounds - the missile mechanic formula bears it out. Rigor, rigor and rigor (in that order).

That's sadly very telling.