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Is there a place for a new guy in a Noctis?

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Siino
Mutinous Behavior
#1 - 2013-12-18 21:29:35 UTC
Im new to the game, have trained up to use the noctis with decent skill. I'm just looking to make ISK right now. I tried salvaging for mission runners but its not all that consistent or great money.

So maybe a wormhole corp would be a good place for me. You shoot stuff I salvage it. We all have fun. Anyway I was just curious if I could be of use.

Thanks
Frantic Freddie
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2013-12-18 21:40:06 UTC
Your best bet is to find a wormhole training corp... there's a lot more than just salvaging to do!
Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#3 - 2013-12-18 22:31:41 UTC
You could try brave newbies, they have a WH corp (Dropbears Anonymous).
Not exactly sure what their requirements are but theyre likely to be as low as youre going to fine in WH space since theyre a newb oriented corp.

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Glyndi
Doom Generation
Best Intentions.
#4 - 2013-12-18 22:45:14 UTC
Before making the wh move you may want to train some scanning skills. You don't have to be in a cov ops but at least be able to use the t1 scan frig and a cloak.

Brave Newbies or even EVE Uni would great options.
Tetsuo Tsukaya
Perkone
Caldari State
#5 - 2013-12-18 22:58:05 UTC
I've been looking for noctis in WH space all week ;)

That said Brave Newbies is probably a good suggestion. They seem to have an awful lot of fun.
Jill Chastot
WE FORM BL0B Inc.
Goonswarm Federation
#6 - 2013-12-18 23:11:11 UTC
"Oath of the Forsaken" would like to hear from you, They're old friends and really friendly, you might need to have a decent level of salvage skill but they will also provide you with 100% subsidised PVP ships if you want to join on that.

They would also be one of the least skill requiring WH corps out there, Oath of the Forsaken is their pub channel too so drop by and see if they'd be a good fit for what your looking for.

https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=298596&find=unread OATHS wants you. Come to the WH "Safety in eve is the greatest fallacy you will ever encounter. Once you accept this you will truely enjoy this game."

Siino
Mutinous Behavior
#7 - 2013-12-18 23:14:18 UTC
thanks for the help guys. ill contact the ones mentioned
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Dropbears Anonymous
Brave Collective
#8 - 2013-12-20 02:04:26 UTC
Jack Miton wrote:
You could try brave newbies, they have a WH corp (Dropbears Anonymous).
Not exactly sure what their requirements are but theyre likely to be as low as youre going to fine in WH space since theyre a newb oriented corp.


D'aww love you too baby. Yeah hit me up in game, I'm sure we'll find a place to awox utilize your boat.
Gislin D'ahl
Perkone
Caldari State
#9 - 2013-12-20 03:54:14 UTC
Glyndi wrote:
Before making the wh move you may want to train some scanning skills. You don't have to be in a cov ops but at least be able to use the t1 scan frig and a cloak.

Brave Newbies or even EVE Uni would great options.


I'd second Eve University. There's a series of campuses to take you through High Sec, Low Sec, Null Sec, and finally Wormhole living. Each campus teaches you more about security and self-sufficiency and also provides instruction and resources in specific roles.

It's a great place to learn about the complexities of Eve.




GreenSeed
#10 - 2013-12-20 05:38:06 UTC
whs will be nice, but don't move in with your noctis, start with a destroyer.
Oska Rus
Free Ice Cream People
#11 - 2013-12-20 13:12:07 UTC
In whs you have to scan and rely on yourself. Dont expect that there will be always someone to scan yo uk-space exit or shoot sleepers for you to slavage. W-space operations are usually small scale so no 10k man coalitions in one staging system.
Lloyd Roses
Artificial Memories
#12 - 2013-12-20 13:26:34 UTC
Oska Rus wrote:
In whs you have to scan and rely on yourself. Dont expect that there will be always someone to scan yo uk-space exit or shoot sleepers for you to slavage. W-space operations are usually small scale so no 10k man coalitions in one staging system.


Wormholes, c1-c3 aside, are a team effort. A properly skilled noctis is worth a lot, and you need savaging V if you don't want to cycle 20times to retrive salvage. Few people actually can fly a decent noctis.
Oska Rus
Free Ice Cream People
#13 - 2013-12-20 19:32:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Oska Rus
Lloyd Roses wrote:
[quote=Oska Rus]Wormholes, c1-c3 aside, are a team effort. A properly skilled noctis is worth a lot, and you need savaging V if you don't want to cycle 20times to retrive salvage. Few people actually can fly a decent noctis.


That is some kind of myth imho. My salvaging 4 can take almost all sleepers on first cycle and i solo C4 anoms and intend to solo capescallations. (with 4 account of course.) Waiting for someone to team up is such a huge loss of time....

Now with the tractor unit tractor bonus of noctis became irelevant too. I might switch back to destroyer lol.
Malcolm Shinhwa
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2013-12-21 06:55:37 UTC
Oska Rus wrote:
Lloyd Roses wrote:
[quote=Oska Rus]Wormholes, c1-c3 aside, are a team effort. A properly skilled noctis is worth a lot, and you need savaging V if you don't want to cycle 20times to retrive salvage. Few people actually can fly a decent noctis.


That is some kind of myth imho. My salvaging 4 can take almost all sleepers on first cycle and i solo C4 anoms and intend to solo capescallations. (with 4 account of course.) Waiting for someone to team up is such a huge loss of time....

Now with the tractor unit tractor bonus of noctis became irelevant too. I might switch back to destroyer lol.


We don't even have a noctis in our hole any more. I know CCP Fozzie said he didn't want the mobile tractor to replace the noctis, but its hard to see how risking a 90m isk boat when a 5mil dessy will do is sane. Heck the dessy even warps faster. We drop the tractor, do the anom, do the next anom drop another tractor, and so on and so forth. Come back in a dessy, scoop and salvage and move on.

I hope OP finds something to do with his. But we don't even use them any more and my personal one will be up for sale the next time I get to hisec.

[i]"The purpose of fighting is to win. There is no possible victory in defense. The sword is more important than the shield and skill is more important than either. The final weapon is the brain. All else is supplemental[/i]."

Riel Saigo
Facta.Non.Verba
#15 - 2013-12-22 22:34:48 UTC
I started in a wormhole corp this way myself. Skilled for a Noctis and did cleanup duty for my corp's PvE ops. Salvaging IV is plenty for sleeper battleships and lower along with some salvage rigs.

But honestly, I don't prefer the Noctis for this sort of thing anymore. A better way to do things is to run a heavily passive tanked battlecruiser with salvagers and a couple mobile tractor arrays. You can warp in on the Sleepers with your PvE fleet fire up your hardeners and damage control, and drop a tractor array at the start of the fight. If the sleepers primary you, no big deal - your tank and logi can handle it. You start salvaging while the battle is going on. And since you're surrounded by friendly teammates, you're not an attractive target for a gank.

You won't finish salvaging the site before the rest of your fleet is ready to warp to the next combat site. That's fine, just make sure you've bookmarked your tractor array and warp with the fleet to the next site and drop your next tractor array. Start salvaging there. Once things have slowed down enough and all the wrecks to be drawn in are remote, you can leave your PvE buddies and head back to the first site. You'll now find a bunch of wrecks floating near the array, and you can start salvaging them quickly and empty the tractor array in the meantime. Then when things slow down, head over to the second site again and do the same thing.

Once a site is clear, scoop the first array and get a fleet warp-in for the third site and repeat the process. In this staggered manner, I can clear the sites of wrecks much more quickly than I ever could in my Noctis.

Furthermore, since you're shuttling back and forth between locations, some of them occupied by your entire fleet, you're a much more difficult target to set up a gank on. And cruisers/battlecruisers align to warp a lot faster than a scow Noctis does and can be tanked much more impressively.

Faster, tankier, and more efficient. I'm afraid the Noctis is probably obsolete now because of these tractor arrays.

In a C1 or C2, I wouldn't use a Noctis either. I'd prefer a salvage destroyer - given that the loot payout in a C1/C2 really isn't worth risking a pricey Noctis over.
Soldarius
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#16 - 2013-12-24 14:36:31 UTC
I don't even need to read this thread to say, yes, there is a place for you. Salvaging behind the combat ships is a vital task for making isk in a wormhole from PvE.

Your task is to scoop all that blue loot and salvage the wrecks in the hopes of getting nanoribbons. Train up to T2 salvagers and tractors. Make sure you know how to scan out a wormhole.

Or, as was suggested, you can use mobile tractors in place of ship-board tractor beams and lots of salvagers. This might free up high slots for a core probe launcher and a cloak, should you need them.

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Eso Es
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#17 - 2013-12-24 14:46:05 UTC
Noctis's are obsolete in Whs, thanks to the Mobile Tractor Unit. Just fit out any destroyer with 8 salvagers in the highs, salvaging rigs, and some cap recharge, and you're good to go.