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Dr Cottonball
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#1 - 2013-12-19 03:49:41 UTC
Hello everyone, I'm unsure of something. I recently bought an Armageddon for L4 ratting and with 5 Mega Modulated Pulse Energy Beam 1 with Standard L, I only get 93.5 DPS. Am I doing something wrong? Question

Gunnery Skills:
Gunnery V
Large Energy Turret III
Sharpshooter IV
Motion Prediction II

I would link the whole fit but I ran out of ISK to finish lows. I also do not have any implants. Any and all help would be greatly appreciated.
Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#2 - 2013-12-19 03:53:08 UTC
Rapid Firing, Surgical Strike, T2 guns. Fly something cheaper.

Oh god.
Tauranon
Weeesearch
CAStabouts
#3 - 2013-12-19 03:58:19 UTC
Dr Cottonball wrote:
Hello everyone, I'm unsure of something. I recently bought an Armageddon for L4 ratting and with 5 Mega Modulated Pulse Energy Beam 1 with Standard L, I only get 93.5 DPS. Am I doing something wrong? Question

Gunnery Skills:
Gunnery V
Large Energy Turret III
Sharpshooter IV
Motion Prediction II

I would link the whole fit but I ran out of ISK to finish lows. I also do not have any implants. Any and all help would be greatly appreciated.


10% bonus to Drone damage and Hit Points
125mb bandwidth.
drone capacity 375m3

Barking up the wrong tree if you want a laserboat.

Note that it can do 800 drone dps with four DDA IIs, garde IIs, and a couple of omni IIs to make it hit stuff at useful ranges.
Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc
Shadow Cartel
#4 - 2013-12-19 03:59:49 UTC
Dr Cottonball wrote:
Hello everyone, I'm unsure of something. I recently bought an Armageddon for L4 ratting and with 5 Mega Modulated Pulse Energy Beam 1 with Standard L, I only get 93.5 DPS. Am I doing something wrong? Question

Gunnery Skills:
Gunnery V
Large Energy Turret III
Sharpshooter IV
Motion Prediction II

I would link the whole fit but I ran out of ISK to finish lows. I also do not have any implants. Any and all help would be greatly appreciated.


I think you might be forgetting the drones.


Also the geddon is mainly an ewar ship, i'd recommend using something else for missions.

BYDI recruitment closed-ish

Janna Windforce
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#5 - 2013-12-19 07:00:16 UTC
Garviel Tarrant wrote:
Also the geddon is mainly an ewar ship, i'd recommend using something else for missions.


Hard truth, especially if you've spent all your ISK on this. I'd recommend asking around or at least searching a bit next time you intend to do something like that ;)
Tali'zorrah
Unicornucopia
#6 - 2013-12-19 07:01:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Tali'zorrah
If your lookingfor a T1 amarr BS, i would highly reccomend the Apocalype.
the Armageddon as stated earlier is mostly a drone/EWAR ship, and the Abaddon is a CAP guzzling beast.
Apoc is MUCH more forgiving to fit and fly :)

also, dont forgot the heat sinks to make the lasers do more damage :)

[EDIT]
Looking at your skills i assume you are a relativly new player and you have just transitioned into L4s.
your priority shoul be on getting a T2 tank i believe.
ill drop a fit here that took me about 10 seconds to throw together so ill preface that by saying its been quite a while since ive run missions, therefore the following is most definetly NOT optimal, but it should give you a decent guideline to work towards.

[Apocalypse, L4 starters]

Armor EM Hardener II
Armor EM Hardener II
Armor Thermic Hardener II
Armor Thermic Hardener II
Large Armor Repairer II
Heat Sink II
Heat Sink II

Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script

Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L
Mega Pulse Laser II, Scorch L

Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I
Large Capacitor Control Circuit I


Hammerhead II x5
Hobgoblin II x5


Depending on your skills you will probably need to use META 4 modules for some of these. and perhaps sacrifice a bit to get a decent cap life.
you'll have to ask someone els about specifics im afraid. its really early and i JUST woke up so im not really looking THAT hard at this.
also, this is quite a bit overtanked in many situations, so if you find it viable you can ofcourse drop a hardener or 2 for additional heat sinks.
Other then that beeing able to at least FIT all these mods and their T2 variant is what you should be aiming for.
Oylpann Kumamato
Empty You
#7 - 2013-12-19 07:09:50 UTC
Dr Cottonball wrote:
*snip*

I would link the whole fit but I ran out of ISK to finish lows. .


You ran out of isk to buy modules for the low slots, or am I reading that wrong?
hmskrecik
TransMine Group
Gluten Free Cartel
#8 - 2013-12-19 07:14:00 UTC
Dr Cottonball wrote:
[....] Armageddon [....] with 5 Mega Modulated Pulse Energy Beam 1 with Standard L, I only get 93.5 DPS. Am I doing something wrong? Question

A couple of things. As mentioned already: this is probably not the ship you want to fly, train all gun support skills at least to 4, use heat sinks.

Also you're using medium range ammo. For missions you want to maximize DPS so in this case you should look into Multifrequency. If range is your concern then switch to beam lasers, pulses shine with Scorch which brings us back to the paragraph above.

Also also when you have steady cash flow then you may consider using faction Multifrequency. With switching to faction heat sinks wait until you have all necessary skills well trained and you have good grasp towards which end your ship flies.

HTH.
Froggy Storm
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#9 - 2013-12-19 07:22:03 UTC
It would seem you, as so many before you, have fallen into the trap of jumping into a hull you aren't ready for. The idea of "cashing" in on that L4 isk (chuckle) is all well and good, but if it takes you hours to complete a single L4 then the couple of L3s in that same time would have been a better investment of time. Go back to your harbi or proph while getting your guns to T2 before moving into that apoc and L4s. The results will be far better.

Oh and drone ships for all missions.
Ralph King-Griffin
New Eden Tech Support
#10 - 2013-12-19 10:01:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Ralph King-Griffin
From pretty recent experience, all of the above is true.
However, im sure as you read this you'r thinking "**** that , i reserve the right do explode in whatever sized fiery slag heap i choose" and you wouldent be wrong, however lvl 4 s arnt that much fun, in a group yeah they can be a chuckle if you have someone funny in your ts but generally they are pretty tedious, much more so without the skills to use the hull to its full.

Murderers of Negotiable Motivations

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Jacob Holland
Weyland-Vulcan Industries
#11 - 2013-12-19 11:02:31 UTC
Dr Cottonball wrote:
Hello everyone, I'm unsure of something. I recently bought an Armageddon for L4 ratting and with 5 Mega Modulated Pulse Energy Beam 1 with Standard L, I only get 93.5 DPS. Am I doing something wrong? Question

Standard L Crystals dole out 20 EM damage and 12 Thermal per activation as a base, your lasers have a 3.6 base damage modifier and an 8s cycle time. Your skills reduce the cycle time by 10% to 7.2s and increase your damage modifier to (3.6 x 1.15=) 4.14.
32 (damage) x 4.14 (damage mod) = 132.48 (damage per shot)
132.48 (damage per shot) / 7.2 (cycle time = 18.4 (damage per second)
18.4 (damage per second) x 5 (number of guns) = 92 (total damage per second).

So you're doing 1.5 DPS more than the calculations suggest (possibly a rounding in EVElopedia's Item database or something you haven't listed (although the value is small for a skill or a module)) which puts you ahead in the game. Adding drones to the mix however will drastically improve that overall output.
Dr Cottonball
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#12 - 2013-12-19 23:26:14 UTC
Thank you for all the feedback! My plan is now is to buy an Apocalypse and train for T2 guns.
RavenPaine
RaVeN Alliance
#13 - 2013-12-20 01:44:48 UTC
Dr Cottonball wrote:
Thank you for all the feedback! My plan is now is to buy an Apocalypse and train for T2 guns.


In for your first 'Like'. You followed the thread, said thanks, and changing to an Apoc is the right way to go.
Ask people how they fit for missions, you will get some great advice on that as well. Smile
Termy Rockling
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#14 - 2013-12-20 06:15:25 UTC
Train all other stuff to T2 first, like capacitor/tank then guns last.
IIshira
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#15 - 2013-12-20 06:26:55 UTC
Dr Cottonball wrote:
Hello everyone, I'm unsure of something. I recently bought an Armageddon for L4 ratting and with 5 Mega Modulated Pulse Energy Beam 1 with Standard L, I only get 93.5 DPS. Am I doing something wrong? Question

Gunnery Skills:
Gunnery V
Large Energy Turret III
Sharpshooter IV
Motion Prediction II

I would link the whole fit but I ran out of ISK to finish lows. I also do not have any implants. Any and all help would be greatly appreciated.



You're missing a lot of skills to fly a battleship. Look at the ISIS in game to get an idea of the skills you need for each ship.


Do level 3 missions in a battlecruiser such as a Harbinger or Prophecy. One if you like guns and the other if you prefer drones. You'll make far more ISK per hour.

Please don't fly the Armageddon if you can't even afford modules for it. This is coming from experience... It sucks losing a ship but even more so if you can't afford to replace it.
Odithia
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#16 - 2013-12-20 06:46:53 UTC
If you want to PVE, train another race.

Reason here
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=305954&find=unread
Dato Koppla
Spaghetti Militia
#17 - 2013-12-20 12:03:44 UTC
Odithia wrote:
If you want to PVE, train another race.

Reason here
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=305954&find=unread


Yeah I stand by lasers not being optimal for missioning, however L4s aren't the endgame, and if you're just planning to get a steady source of income and train skills, lasers can be good for PvP or other applications where it doesn't suffer from the issues I mentioned like shooting sleepers.

So since he's a new player already far along on lasers, I would recommend the OP stick to his laser plan, just keep to Amarr space.
Miasmos
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#18 - 2013-12-20 12:06:02 UTC
The Armageddon in cruise gank fit is the best amarr t1 pve ship. You should use long range sentries to start off with MJD sniping as the damage application (tank) style.

The Amarr PVE endgame has possibly the strongest continued damage application: pulse Paladin and sentry Nightmare. The catch is you have to pick EM weak rats. The contesting ship here is Machariel in a sentry autocannon gank setup which just trumps everything anyhow.