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How the **** do i make any ******* money.

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Erica Dusette
Division 13
#81 - 2013-12-19 22:22:17 UTC
Farm wormholes baby!

Simple.

If you've tried it already and weren't making money then you were doing it wrong.

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Ivan Krividus
Cold Lazarus Inc
The-Expanse
#82 - 2013-12-19 22:59:23 UTC
Alright, I know OP, you need help.

So I am willing to help you out. Mail me in game and we can talk it out. If it looks like you know what you are doing here in EVE I will make a deal. Send me any amount of ISK. Anything. And I will double it and you will be off doing whatever the hell you like, instead of grinding for stupid standings.

In fact, you can use the money I send you for data center missions to instantly improve standings and never have to grind to be able to run L4s.
Inxentas Ultramar
Ultramar Independent Contracting
#83 - 2013-12-19 23:44:46 UTC
If you cannot undock it and fly it like you stole it, it's not worth buying. Spend ISK wisely, invest instead of spend.

Don't expect to get space rich in ten days, real wealth takes time, patience, and cooperation.

In PVP, firsts stick looted crap on a cheap hull and experiment. If something seems to work, buy the real thing (a t2 fitting).
Trevor Dalech
Nobody in Local
Of Sound Mind
#84 - 2013-12-19 23:53:36 UTC
I used to be a low sec explorer. When odyssey hit, I switched to shooting explorers, profits only increased.


But, as others said, figure out what you enjoy doing, then learn to be good at it. Essentially, you will only make ISK if you're better than the average noob. So do not spread your skills and be average at evrything, but specialize and be great at what you enjoy doing.
IbanezLaney
The Church of Awesome
#85 - 2013-12-20 00:17:52 UTC
Zol Interbottom wrote:
In my entire time playing EVE I've made less than 100m ISK, I've run missions, done PI, mined rocks in space, I've ****** around shooting belt rats, shot up haulers in lowsec and diving into null to find decent sites.

I don't know what the **** I'm doing wrong, i know that the intense world of market PvP is always available for people who are willing to spend the time and effort running their 0.001's.

Aside from just going out and buying a PLEX.

I've been living on donations from other players after 10 ******* days of playing every time I've come back to the game and i'm rather sick of it.



For real??
You can make a few 100 mil a day just flying around low sec looting wrecks that are left behind.



Playing the market can be very profitable but the .01 isk game is not how you do it.
You also need to be very committed to it and it is insanely fkn boring.


Find a new corp maybe. Having knowledgeable people around is 1/2 the battle.

Cyndrogen
The Greatest Corp in the Universe
#86 - 2013-12-20 06:34:08 UTC
Send me 100 million ISK and I will double it.

Every day in every way I improve my skills and get better.

Kagura Nikon
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#87 - 2013-12-20 09:13:16 UTC
DaReaper wrote:
Zol Interbottom wrote:



Running missions was fine but i was losing money, grinding the rep needed for the decent ones just takes too long


Then you need to figure out where your money is going. Missions is a faucet, money comes in. You should not lose any money, at all, just doing missions. So you are spending your money unwisely.

Its like the guy who makes a $1,000,000 a year, then wonders why he is always broke after paying all his bills and spending money in random stuff. Only you control your money, if you make isk then have none after, you are spending more then you take in. Stop doing that. People make money by saving it, not by getting 10m then buying a 10m isk skill book everytime they get 10m.



I am startign to think he flies with an armor buffer ship and repairs it at station repair... :/

"If brute force does not solve your problem....  then you are  surely not using enough!"

Jaxon Grylls
Institute of Archaeology
#88 - 2013-12-20 09:53:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Jaxon Grylls
There's a lot of good advice in this thread, so maybe what I post is superfluous, but you will get it anyway!

I was like you. After four years I had 40 million ISK in hand, most of the rest had been spent on skill books, BPOs, ships etc.
I fluttered around like a butterfly, which from what you say is exactly what you are doing, never sticking to one thing for more that a day or two. Did this make me unhappy with EVE. Not on your life! I was doing what I enjoyed, and at root that is what this game is all about.

You have to decide on what it is about EVE that you enjoy. If having little money is getting in that way of doing that then you need to work out a way of getting an income that will support your aims. In my case it was PI and industry, I still don't make a lot of ISK but it does allow me to do what I want in the game.

So sit down, think about where you want to go, what you enjoy most and stick to it. If, as others here have said, you want to do mission running, then skill up, join a corps that specialises in mission running and learn how to do it.

Unless you have a real need to keep up with the plutocrats there is no need to amass huge wedges of cash, just have enough to let you play EVE the way you want to. After all it's your subscription and you can do whatever you like with your own property.

Good luck.
Obunagawe
#89 - 2013-12-20 12:08:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Obunagawe
Just buy a damn PLEX.

You assholes have given buying PLEX a stigma of being "pay to win" and that anyone who would buy them is a "bad player". Now you're reaping your rewards in the form of 620M per unit. Ironically the only people you've benefited is the people who want to buy PLEX for cash.
Meskiaggaseir
Doomheim
#90 - 2013-12-20 12:19:03 UTC
Zol Interbottom wrote:
Gregor Parud wrote:
Zol Interbottom wrote:
Rin Valador wrote:
If you cant find something you enjoy and make money from it i don't like your chances of sticking around.


Well that's the ******* thing, I've spent more time grinding for rep then i have making money, i lost most of the sec status I've ever made in 5 minutes, i usually just come back once a year to see how the latest expansion is going and what all the current drama is.

Considering the average amount of my wallet is usually less than 20m ISK and i still don't have high enough reputation with any agent after days of grinding i don't really know why the **** I'm actually sticking around.


Whine whine, you don't actually play, stay away for a year and somehow magically expect isk to fall into your lap.

Perhaps you should just realise you're simply not smart enough and stick to WOW or Hello kitty online.


No, I grind for hours and hour, days and days, check my ****, oh look, ******* nothing, burn the **** out and give up, come back six months later and give it another try, you're just not getting it they said, it's fun once you get on your feet and figure out what your doing and I come crawling the **** back.

Maye I should just go back to WoW, I hear there are pandas and its becoming more like the vanilla, at least in WoW, I don't spend all ******* week grinding for a 0.01 rep increase


yes good idea go back to wow , whats a rep increase btw?
Magna Mortem
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#91 - 2013-12-20 12:27:39 UTC
Obunagawe wrote:
Just buy a damn PLEX.

You assholes have given buying PLEX a stigma of being "pay to win" and that anyone who would buy them is a "bad player". Now you're reaping your rewards in the form of 620M per unit. Ironically the only people you've benefited is the people who want to buy PLEX for cash.

I buy PLEX and sell them for ISK. No point wasting time grinding for money.
Rhivre
TarNec
Invisible Exchequer
#92 - 2013-12-20 12:42:56 UTC
Zol Interbottom wrote:

Running missions was fine but i was losing money, grinding the rep needed for the decent ones just takes too long


How do you lose isk running missions? O.O
Arduemont
Rotten Legion
#93 - 2013-12-20 13:02:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Arduemont
The trouble with asking people how to make ISK in Eve, is that the really successful folks keep it a secret. Now I am definitely not successful in terms of ISK earning, but I do earn my ISK in a novel way that some people say is impossible. I earn all my ISK solely from PvP.

I would like to tell you how. Some of it is fairly obvious, like loot drops, but there are some tricks that help you get where you want to get. If I told you them though, I would have lost my advantage. If everyone did it, I couldn't do it effectively. Same applies with a lot of traders, who earn huge fortunes manipulating niche markets. If they told you what those markets were, their margins would drop.

This isn't a particularly helpful post really, but the point is keep your eyes open for opportunities. If you can find yourself a niche you will be rich and happy. Or you could just run Incursions if you can put up with the drivel in the Incursion community coms.

Obunagawe wrote:
Now you're reaping your rewards in the form of 620M per unit.


PLEXes are expensive at the moment because the PLEX for Good scheme pulled $180,000 worth of them off the market. Supply and demand and all that.

"In the age of information, ignorance is a choice." www.stateofwar.co.nf

Logan Revelore
Symbiotic Systems
#94 - 2013-12-20 13:15:32 UTC
Zol Interbottom wrote:
In my entire time playing EVE I've made less than 100m ISK, I've run missions, done PI, mined rocks in space, I've ****** around shooting belt rats, shot up haulers in lowsec and diving into null to find decent sites.

I don't know what the **** I'm doing wrong, i know that the intense world of market PvP is always available for people who are willing to spend the time and effort running their 0.001's.

Aside from just going out and buying a PLEX.

I've been living on donations from other players after 10 ******* days of playing every time I've come back to the game and i'm rather sick of it.


Hmm, let me ask you, what's your expenses? Do you lose ships often either to PvP or PvE? If you lose ships to PvP then my advice is to go down a notch in price class so you can afford the losses. If PvE is your problem, I guess you need to improve on your combat skills and while you're doing that only take missions you know you can handle.

I can tell you what I do, I don't make large amounts of isk, but I don't face the problems you do though. I fly a battlecruiser, I do level 3 security missions, I fly a Ferox and I use rails, so it's not like I'm flying the most popular ship or use the most popular weapons platform, so I'm sure one could be more efficient than I am. I don't make most of my isk from the missions though, it's probably 50% of my income. I make sure to bookmark wrecks at each mission site, I then return with my noctis and salvage all the sites I've been at after I've done a batch of 3-6 lvl3 missions.

With the salvage I gain do some manufacturing, this part is at least 50% of my income. Here's the catch though, it's highly recommended that you get good with spreadsheets and that you're able to extract market data and analyse it, that way you know which products to focus on. I have a list of my "top sellers" and I simply track and update the market data for these once in a while and then I adjust my production..

Without trying much and playing perhaps 10 hours/week I'm atleast breaking some 100 million isk. I know that's pennies compared to many others, but it keeps me floating while I'm finding my way in EVE.
Seven Koskanaiken
Shadow Legions.
SONS of BANE
#95 - 2013-12-20 14:31:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Seven Koskanaiken
Zol Interbottom wrote:
In my entire time playing EVE I've made less than 100m ISK, I've run missions, done PI, mined rocks in space, I've ****** around shooting belt rats, shot up haulers in lowsec and diving into null to find decent sites.

I don't know what the **** I'm doing wrong, i know that the intense world of market PvP is always available for people who are willing to spend the time and effort running their 0.001's.

Aside from just going out and buying a PLEX.

I've been living on donations from other players after 10 ******* days of playing every time I've come back to the game and i'm rather sick of it.


Pick one thing and specialize in it. Read guides about it, eve uni wiki, google it, read the forum for that profession, etc.

At the end of the week total up your income from doing this thing.

Take half to spend on lolpvp ships, rifters, monocles, random crap you want.

Take the other half and spend it on your profession - better ships, better modules, skillbooks, implants to learn faster, hardwirings, data center tags to sell for faction standing, etc. If you have some leftover, invest in some market trade, BPOs to research, speculation, some PI or other passive stuff etc. (Again you will research these things on eve uni wiki, google, etc. before spending any money). Keep a reserve to replace everything you have bought at least once over, incase you get ganked.

Repeat next week.
Rekon X
Doomheim
#96 - 2013-12-20 14:38:45 UTC
Ivan Krividus wrote:
Alright, I know OP, you need help.

So I am willing to help you out. Mail me in game and we can talk it out. If it looks like you know what you are doing here in EVE I will make a deal. Send me any amount of ISK. Anything. And I will double it and you will be off doing whatever the hell you like, instead of grinding for stupid standings.

In fact, you can use the money I send you for data center missions to instantly improve standings and never have to grind to be able to run L4s.


You forgot the verified api.

Definition of goon - a stupid person Those who can do, those who can't spew

LittleTerror
Stygian Systems
#97 - 2013-12-20 18:14:23 UTC  |  Edited by: LittleTerror
You need to find something you enjoy doing and get good at it, I mean really get good at it, its the only way.

Find out how much isk per day/week you should be making for your chosen path, then learn what you need to do in order to achieve it and go do it.
Soldarius
Dreddit
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#98 - 2013-12-20 18:52:24 UTC
There are many ways to make isk in Eve.

Low-level missions aren't very good. You'll likely spend as much on ammo and ships as you get paid. Feel free to loot the wrecks. You sometimes get some really nice stuff. But once you get some standings with that corporation you'll get access to better agents.

Exploration is easy-mode isk. You just need to pull in the right cans. Data or parts typically.

Mining is about as easy as it gets. But to really benefit from that you need to be able to refine your ores. Selling ore to market buy orders is always going to be a loss.

Faction Warfare is a sure-fire way to make loads of isk. Roam around in a noob ship and orbit the button in a novice complex for 15 minutes. **** is totally free, yo. No chance of losing money.

I do not recommend going out to nul or w-space right off. Spend time learning pvp mechanics first. losec FW is also good for that. Most of it is frigate, destroyer, or cruiser fights. Very cheap and good experience.

http://youtu.be/YVkUvmDQ3HY

Jessica Danikov
Network Danikov
#99 - 2013-12-20 18:53:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Jessica Danikov
If making money was easy, everyone would do it, inflation would sky-rocket and it wouldn't be making money any more.

Every source of ISK in the game has certain investments and risk- real life money, time, skill points, attention, difficultly, etc. etc.

Not having having much ISK isn't necessarily a bad thing if you don't spend it, so your frustration is just somewhat wanting to spend more than you have (which is fine, just don't act entitled to having more ISK).

The rest of it may be a case of finding the right activity that matches your demands- PLEX is out if you don't want to spend money. PI can be a very could passive income source, more so if you get the right friends, but does require a little SP investment. Datacores is similar. Salvaging drones and loot in nullsec can be an interesting and dangerous, but successful alternative (especially with the introduction of the mobile depot). Or there's the ninja approach to complexes (can be highly competitive though). If you like flying with people but want mostly PVE content, Incursions are something to aim for (Logistics requires more attention, but tends to require less ISK invested in your ship). And I hear that Faction Warfare has some cheap ways to make ISK by farming LP...

Best thing you can do, though? Fly with other people. A good group, they won't just hand you money on a platter, but there will be work you can do that can make you a lot of money. Salvaging missions behind other players is one- often they may let you keep it all because they wouldn't bother. Joining other people in their missions, you get an equal cut despite your less-than-equal contribution (most people don't care so much- it's nice to have the company, and by that point you have enough ISK to live comfortably).
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#100 - 2013-12-20 19:08:48 UTC
Zol Interbottom wrote:
In my entire time playing EVE I've made less than 100m ISK, I've run missions, done PI, mined rocks in space, I've ****** around shooting belt rats, shot up haulers in lowsec and diving into null to find decent sites.

I don't know what the **** I'm doing wrong, i know that the intense world of market PvP is always available for people who are willing to spend the time and effort running their 0.001's.

Aside from just going out and buying a PLEX.

I've been living on donations from other players after 10 ******* days of playing every time I've come back to the game and i'm rather sick of it.



First, don't read in the forums things like "I make a gajillion ISK per hour doing XXX" and take it as truth. People like to come into these forums and troll like that or brag up their skills. It's an alpha/aspergers thing.

Second, if your gaming experience is all about how much ISK you have, perhaps you need to consider another game? Yes this game is infected with "min/max" personalities in both carebearing and ISK hoarding and also PVP too (the green on their killboard or their "stats"). Do you really want to be one of them? They never really enjoy the game.

Once you have yourself set up in such a balance that you are making as much ISK as possible or keeping your KB as green as possible (meaning you'll run from anything other than a 10 versus 1 where you are part of the 10) any slight changes in the game or any actions of other players (tactics, loot stealing, etc) will have you crying a river in these forums.

So it's bad enough that we already have these people to deal with and their Ritalin-fueled obsessions, don't go out of your way to be like them.

Find something you like to do and if it does not make you ISK, find a way to finance what you like to do. I have never had more than 500M ISK at any given time in 7 years because I only maintain enough to replace what I fly anyway and the rest of the time I'm having fun. Forget the numbers.

Bring back DEEEEP Space!