Player Features and Ideas Discussion

In a word, "damage." Damage brings implications of Concording. Added: And to be clear, I am not suggesting that we disallow bumping in high sec, only that we require that, while in high sec, all ships in high sec to have their collision avoidance systems on. It will prevent a lot of bumping and minimize the damages. Any bumping damages will be assumed to be unavoidable consequences of an imperfect collision avoidance system and will have no Concording consequences. Deactivating the system while in high sec would be considered an exploit.


I thought I already explained the answer to your question. When alignment is more important that taking damage from a collision, or stopping an alignment is more important, then outside of high sec, the player may desire to turn off the button.

The button is NOT magic either. If another ship does not have the button on, then there is only so much that collision avoidance can do to avoid the collision, depending on the capabilities of the ship.

I agree with you that a collision should always hurt, whether in high sec all the way through to null. But if it is on, collision avoidance systems can always do their best to avoid it anywhere, even if their best is not good enough.

I also believe that damage should follow the physics equation for kinetic energy: KE= 0.5 * m * v^2 where "v" is really delta v or the change in velocity.

But when the ship is in micro warp (with the MWD activated), I think that collisions should be impossible because the ship is in warped space.

So why precisely do we need bumping to cause damage? What problem will this fix?

Let's say everyone aligned to the same planet after they exit warp and they set their speed to 100 m/s. Do you see any collisions by those actions? Now let's say that the fleet warps their wings in individually and to different spots on the grid. Do you see even more room for moving without friendly collisions? I do.

Maybe. Still, collisions and targeting are two entirely different mechanics. The ship way be in warped space, but he is still on grid and in control of his flight path, so targeting during MWD seems just fine to me.

But hey, if CCP goes for no targeting too, then at least ships in micro warp are treated more like they are in warped space. That change might impact interceptors fairly harshly unless the MWD bonus was changed to increase in AB speed; which would be really nice for interceptors maintaining very low sig. For now, perhaps we can agree to consider the locking and collision mechanics separate for now.

So why precisely do we need bumping to cause damage? What problem will this fix?

No personal attack, I'm just pointing out when you die to a mechanic you don't like you come here and post ideas on removing/limiting that mechanic. Cynos, now bumping.

What about epithals? A pilot doing PI in low sec would simply fit the lows with warp core stabilizers and with bumping being limited they'd be even harder to catch than they already are.

Yeah, it is a goofy mechanic, but it has some game balance issues associated with it...for example, decloaking could result in bumping...should interceptor pilots have to risk losing their ship to decloak ships?

I appreciate your effort to set the lore straight, but the fact is that the dialog when entering warp does not say, "anti-friction bubbles of depleted vaccuum drive activated". The word warp has a meaning for a reason. It means to bend. When space is bent so that two points are closer together, then travel across the shorter space (warped space) makes it seem that you are moving faster than you really are. And the drive which warps space is the warp drive.

Since micro warps are lesser versions to regular warps, it is reasonable to assume that they will have lesser of the same kinds of effects on the ships as well.

Plus, I can't allow Eve to use the term depleted vacuum when her normal space is no where near a vacuum; there is this constant drag (which we call space gell) on ships moving relative to the relative speeds of the static objects in their respective solar systems. CCP, will you please re-look at all this non-sense and consider revising the mechanics so that they are at least vaguely in line with the most fundamental laws of physics. The players will adapt, they always have, and they will most likely love the improved mechanics. World of Tanks added a realistic physics engine to their game and the players absolutely loved it! Let's improve the mechanics to be more in line with at least the most fundamental laws of physics.

I appreciate your effort to set the lore straight, but the fact is that the dialog when entering warp does not say, "anti-friction bubbles of depleted vaccuum drive activated". The word warp has a meaning for a reason. It means to bend. When space is bent so that two points are closer together, then travel across the shorter space (warped space) makes it seem that you are moving faster than you really are. And the drive which warps space is the warp drive.

Since micro warps are lesser versions to regular warps, it is reasonable to assume that they will have lesser of the same kinds of effects on the ships as well.

Plus, I can't allow Eve to use the term depleted vacuum when her normal space is no where near a vacuum; there is this constant drag (which we call space gell) on ships moving relative to the relative speeds of the static objects in their respective solar systems. CCP, will you please re-look at all this non-sense and consider revising the mechanics so that they are at least vaguely in line with the most fundamental laws of physics. The players will adapt, they always have, and they will most likely love the improved mechanics. World of Tanks added a realistic physics engine to their game and the players absolutely loved it! Let's improve the mechanics to be more in line with at least the most fundamental laws of physics.

It's silly that a frigate can bump a Titan or a Freighter, but fixing it does not require that the ships in question incur damage.

the Jita node would melt into slag thanks to all of the bumping that goes on at the 4-4 undock.