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BC for high sec combat sites?

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Azemar
Voidhounds
Pretenders
#1 - 2013-12-19 21:25:50 UTC
Most likely serpentis enemies and looking for a gallente ship/fit that won't have any problems doing a DED 4, etc.


I was thinking a sniper talos or rail/drone myrm? Looking for ideas
Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#2 - 2013-12-19 21:56:34 UTC
Those would work. Brutix would also probably work. Fit a kin/therm hardener, a prop mod to control range, a web for close stuff, and you're good to go. For the myrm, may want to try out sentry drones if you have the skill.

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Tauranon
Weeesearch
CAStabouts
#3 - 2013-12-19 22:25:59 UTC  |  Edited by: Tauranon
Azemar wrote:
Most likely serpentis enemies and looking for a gallente ship/fit that won't have any problems doing a DED 4, etc.


I was thinking a sniper talos or rail/drone myrm? Looking for ideas


it takes me about 12 minutes to do serpentis phi with a full T2 rail and sentry vexor, including not having a key and clearing the pocket to open the can and flying through the roid. A vexor can also go into the ded 3 which the myrm can't. You may need the myrms extra drone to crack the phi overseer if you have low skills, but he was dying on approach to me with a vexor (450 dps @ 40km).

The only thing I haven't tried with a sentry vexor is serpentis watch. it may be possible to kill the things that spawn the commander and, the commander and the other ship that rolls the escalation chance, bm the wreck and get out, I just never bothered taking on the wall-of-spawn.

You can refit the extra gun and remove your scanning bits on the fly if necessary these days thanks to the deployable which you can drop whilst clearing a first pocket, but you can also just dock up after you get the sig.
Dato Koppla
Balls Deep Inc.
Minmatar Fleet Alliance
#4 - 2013-12-20 00:41:42 UTC
Tauranon has the right idea, if you can handle the sites in a Cruiser you should use one so you can get into 3/10s or else you'll have to pass up these sites if you find them and that would be a waste cause you can get some decent loot from these.
Tauranon
Weeesearch
CAStabouts
#5 - 2013-12-20 01:41:15 UTC
Navy vexor is another option. Myrm pricey these days that it doesn't make sense to be locked out of the 3/10s when you find em if you could have just used a navy vexor instead.
Lokna Rohgar
Logars Heroes
#6 - 2013-12-20 09:49:26 UTC
Navy vexor is a great ship for ded sites, i call it the poor mans ishtar. Full flight of sentrys and you can easily get 500+dps with curators and over 600+ with gardes, just depends on your playstyle. Get resists specific to what you are clearing and easy does it.
Dato Koppla
Balls Deep Inc.
Minmatar Fleet Alliance
#7 - 2013-12-20 12:15:35 UTC
I don't think this can be done with other factions sites, but Guristas 1-4/10 can easily be run in an Assault Frig (even a T1 frig actually, I tested it with a Tristan) and I used to use an Ishkur with a probe launcher to do these sites in highsec, you're not locked out of any sites, and because you're so fast you can easily get to the loot first if there's someone else in the site with you. These sites are also easily the best with the 1/10 able to drop 80+mil, 2/10 - 120+mil, 3/10 - 200+mil and 400+mil from the 4/10
dexington
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#8 - 2013-12-20 16:26:00 UTC
Tauranon wrote:
Navy vexor is another option. Myrm pricey these days that it doesn't make sense to be locked out of the 3/10s when you find em if you could have just used a navy vexor instead.


The navy vexor is a really good choice, i've been using it for hi-sec exploration and it does all sites with easy. It's good with standard light and medium drones, and it's great with light and sentry drones.

Even if you can't T2 fit it, it will still get the job done with meta modules/guns and faction drones.

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Selaria Unbertable
Bellator in Capsulam
#9 - 2013-12-21 11:04:18 UTC
Dato Koppla wrote:
I don't think this can be done with other factions sites, but Guristas 1-4/10 can easily be run in an Assault Frig (even a T1 frig actually, I tested it with a Tristan) and I used to use an Ishkur with a probe launcher to do these sites in highsec, you're not locked out of any sites, and because you're so fast you can easily get to the loot first if there's someone else in the site with you. These sites are also easily the best with the 1/10 able to drop 80+mil, 2/10 - 120+mil, 3/10 - 200+mil and 400+mil from the 4/10


Serpentis 1-4/10 can be done in an Ishkur with a lot of patience. Have done that before moving to the Ishtar as my main exploration vessel in Guristas/Serpentis space. Even the phi outpost is doable, but the Ishkur's dps is quite low compared to a cruiser or BC hull.
Dato Koppla
Balls Deep Inc.
Minmatar Fleet Alliance
#10 - 2013-12-21 13:24:37 UTC
Selaria Unbertable wrote:
Dato Koppla wrote:
I don't think this can be done with other factions sites, but Guristas 1-4/10 can easily be run in an Assault Frig (even a T1 frig actually, I tested it with a Tristan) and I used to use an Ishkur with a probe launcher to do these sites in highsec, you're not locked out of any sites, and because you're so fast you can easily get to the loot first if there's someone else in the site with you. These sites are also easily the best with the 1/10 able to drop 80+mil, 2/10 - 120+mil, 3/10 - 200+mil and 400+mil from the 4/10


Serpentis 1-4/10 can be done in an Ishkur with a lot of patience. Have done that before moving to the Ishtar as my main exploration vessel in Guristas/Serpentis space. Even the phi outpost is doable, but the Ishkur's dps is quite low compared to a cruiser or BC hull.


Yeah that's true, I used a Navy Vexor for other factions highsec site because dps is far more imporant. Guristas 1/10 and 2/10 you can do in an Ishkur just as fast as Cruiser, the 3/10 the Ishkur is slightly slower because there are quite a few rats, but the 4/10 I've found it competitive with T1 cruisers as it's very short and there's only 1 room to kill, the second room has the structure that drops loot that doesn't have many hitpoints, similar the 1-3/10 Overseers that drops loot for Guristas are very weak rats as opposed to say Serpentis where the overseer in the 4/10 is a beefy Battleship. The main advantage is when there is a race for the loot because you get lots of company in Guristas highsec, I used to dual prop my Ishkur (cause the 3/10 doesn't allow MWD) and I won most loot races because people flew Cruiser hulls.

In general I feel Guristas sites are far easier, there are less rats and the Overseers are very easy to take out.
Selaria Unbertable
Bellator in Capsulam
#11 - 2013-12-21 13:42:21 UTC
Dato Koppla wrote:
Selaria Unbertable wrote:
Dato Koppla wrote:
I don't think this can be done with other factions sites, but Guristas 1-4/10 can easily be run in an Assault Frig (even a T1 frig actually, I tested it with a Tristan) and I used to use an Ishkur with a probe launcher to do these sites in highsec, you're not locked out of any sites, and because you're so fast you can easily get to the loot first if there's someone else in the site with you. These sites are also easily the best with the 1/10 able to drop 80+mil, 2/10 - 120+mil, 3/10 - 200+mil and 400+mil from the 4/10


Serpentis 1-4/10 can be done in an Ishkur with a lot of patience. Have done that before moving to the Ishtar as my main exploration vessel in Guristas/Serpentis space. Even the phi outpost is doable, but the Ishkur's dps is quite low compared to a cruiser or BC hull.


Yeah that's true, I used a Navy Vexor for other factions highsec site because dps is far more imporant. Guristas 1/10 and 2/10 you can do in an Ishkur just as fast as Cruiser, the 3/10 the Ishkur is slightly slower because there are quite a few rats, but the 4/10 I've found it competitive with T1 cruisers as it's very short and there's only 1 room to kill, the second room has the structure that drops loot that doesn't have many hitpoints, similar the 1-3/10 Overseers that drops loot for Guristas are very weak rats as opposed to say Serpentis where the overseer in the 4/10 is a beefy Battleship. The main advantage is when there is a race for the loot because you get lots of company in Guristas highsec, I used to dual prop my Ishkur (cause the 3/10 doesn't allow MWD) and I won most loot races because people flew Cruiser hulls.

In general I feel Guristas sites are far easier, there are less rats and the Overseers are very easy to take out.


True to that. I found the 3/10 sites quite annoying due to the large number of rats and rooms. I usually draw aggro from all groups, release my drones and just slow boat to the next gate.
My Ishtar is dual prop too, for the same reasons as yours. Plus a tractor beam is quite handy sometimes.
Katran Luftschreck
Royal Ammatar Engineering Corps
#12 - 2013-12-21 17:05:17 UTC
Did you know that a properly fitted Myrmidon can easily get over 200hp/sec passive shield regeneration?

Cram it full of shield extenders (medium), shield relays (low) and shield regeneration rigs. Save one slot for a adaptive shield thingy and you're damn near indestructible, at least as far as PvE is concerned.

Think about that for a minute. A cap stable ship (fit it with Minmitar guns) with drones as the primary weapon. No repair modules needed. Ammo cost minimal (the guns are really just emergency backup). I spent nearly a year running L4 missions like that.

Fit a remote armor repair module and you won't even have to pay to repair your drones.

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Selaria Unbertable
Bellator in Capsulam
#13 - 2013-12-22 08:28:07 UTC
The problem with BCs and exploration is, that they are slow, and they cannot enter the 3/10 plexes. It is totally valid to use one for 4/10 sites, they are relatively cheap and do good dps. But a well flown cruiser or HAC will beat you most of the time due to its speed advantage.
Starfellow Hawke
Distant Light Syndicate
#14 - 2013-12-23 20:28:08 UTC
Not trying to troll but if you want to have some fun and can spare the isk.... I have really enjoyed running sites in my Federation Navy Comet. What an awesome ship.
Paul Otichoda
Perkone
Caldari State
#15 - 2013-12-23 20:35:54 UTC
Note that what every you use you need 400dps to take down the 4/10 serpentis boss. I learned that the hardway.
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
#16 - 2013-12-23 21:25:37 UTC
Paul Otichoda wrote:
Note that what every you use you need 400dps to take down the 4/10 serpentis boss. I learned that the hardway.


No you don't. We went over this in that thread. You just need to do about 250 thermal. Don't forget drones.
Gustav Mannfred
Summer of Mumuit
Remember Mumuit
#17 - 2013-12-25 16:36:54 UTC
I usually run guristas sites with 2 accounts:

one with a ishkur for the 1-3/10 sites, this ship works fine, the overseer is just a crappy frigate, that can be easly killed i just fitted one thermal hardener a armor repairer and the rest with drone damage modules. but usually guristas 1-3 sites are not wort, because of incredibile low drop rate of the factionshieldbooster. I got more worm bpcs or dread guristas modules then pithi a type boosters. Look more for the 4/10 complexes

and my main with a nighthawk and heavy missiles, works just fine in the scout outpost. first room -> drones out, just kill the cruisers and let the drones do the frigs. 2nd room, just kill the telescope, loot the can and warp out, nighthawk can easly tank up to 600 dps.

the serpentis 1-3 sites can also be runned with a t1 or navy frigate (i used tristan or worm) the 4/10 can be done in a navy vexor and some federation navy orges.

if you want to use a bc, you should use a drake, as someone else said, assault frigs can win loot races, because other ones are in a cruiser with slower warp speed and lower max speed. but with a drake and heavy missiles, you can easly get up to 50 km range, so you can kill the telescope before the af gets into optimal range.

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Dato Koppla
Balls Deep Inc.
Minmatar Fleet Alliance
#18 - 2013-12-26 01:45:07 UTC
Gustav Mannfred wrote:

if you want to use a bc, you should use a drake, as someone else said, assault frigs can win loot races, because other ones are in a cruiser with slower warp speed and lower max speed. but with a drake and heavy missiles, you can easly get up to 50 km range, so you can kill the telescope before the af gets into optimal range.


The AF doesn't need to shoot the telescope, just loot it, and if you're 50km away then he will just loot it and warp off before you're even close, what you should do is not shoot the telescope until you're right on top of it and hope the AF doesn't kill it and loot it before you get there.
Ireland VonVicious
Vicious Trading Company
#19 - 2013-12-26 01:56:58 UTC
Gila.