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[Rubicon 1.1] Sisters of EVE Battleship

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XvXTeacherVxV
Be Nice Inc.
Prismatic Legion
#1541 - 2013-12-19 17:42:46 UTC
The 100 Role Bonus Nestor

So far we have...

-50% cap usage of salvagers.
+50% target painter falloff.
+10 to drone sensor strength.
+25% to firework rate of fire.
-100% to self-inflicted damage.
+1/2 of a point to warp strength.
+25% to cycle time of stasis webs
-100% trolling comments in local when you get ganked.
+100% to ship scanner range.

Specialized 10000 m3 exotic dancer hold
Can Fit Snowball De-melter.
Can Fit Capital Mods (but does not have the power to online them).
Golden killmail (When the Nestor dies its killmail is automatically posted as an item on the login news screen.)

I say we can reach 100 before Rise comments again.
Can you see the rapier?: http://imgur.com/aFelCpv,GH6lqDE
Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
#1542 - 2013-12-19 19:16:29 UTC
Role Bonus:

Absorbs 30% of incoming damage done to allied ships within 10k
Allied ships within 5k become immune to targeted interdiction
+1000% to Smartbomb visual effect size
Smartbomb effects will have multicolored sparkles
+75% to all resistances when given a blender- or "personal massager"-related name
sabastyian
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#1543 - 2013-12-19 19:47:32 UTC
XvXTeacherVxV wrote:
The 100 Role Bonus Nestor

I say we can reach 100 before Rise comments again.


Wait, rise actually responds to these forums?
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#1544 - 2013-12-19 20:23:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Arthur Aihaken
Alvatore DiMarco wrote:
Smartbomb effects will have multicolored sparkles

This was my favorite. Lol

XvXTeacherVxV wrote:
I say we can reach 100 before Rise comments again.

Comments again? Don't you mean "kills again"? Lol

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Disciple Cax
Ethereal Morality
The Initiative.
#1545 - 2013-12-19 21:56:21 UTC
500% increase to the loudness of the MWD sound.
Shinzhi Xadi
Doomheim
#1546 - 2013-12-19 22:58:39 UTC
Maybe the reason Rise stopped replying to this thread, is all the hostile comments he gets.

Mac Pro dual 6-core Xeon 3.06ghz, 24gig ecc ram, EVGA GTX 680 Mac Edition, Intel SSD, OS X Yosemite and Windows 8.1 Pro.
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#1547 - 2013-12-19 23:18:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Arthur Aihaken
Shinzhi Xadi wrote:
Maybe the reason Rise stopped replying to this thread, is all the hostile comments he gets.

Maybe he should learn to work on his people skills. When the premise for a new feature has been predetermined, it's more than a little disingenuous to have a thread for "feedback".

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Savira Terrant
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#1548 - 2013-12-19 23:50:14 UTC
Shinzhi Xadi wrote:
Maybe the reason Rise stopped replying to this thread, is all the hostile comments he gets.


I believe he knew that most parts of this community are unable to voice criticism in a constructive way before he even took this job. Then again this is at least the second big change/addition to the game that people would like to see wholy different and from a personal standpoint I could understand if he felt frustrated.
In my opinion he did almost entirely good stuff as long as it did not have to do with battleship hulls. T1 bs are questionable and I don't think I need to talk about Marauders. I don't use the bastion to this day and I am still sad that the hulls themselves weren't touched mostly - all else was pretty nice balancing work.

That said, it would really make me sad, if CCP would add a useless ship right after the tiericide initiative, which had the goal to make all ships equally desireable.

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Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#1549 - 2013-12-19 23:58:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Arthur Aihaken
Savira Terrant wrote:
I believe he knew that most parts of this community are unable to voice criticism in a constructive way before he even took this job.

Please - he's brought this all on himself. He refused to even respond to the original rapid heavy missile launcher thread and then dropped a bombshell with the "40-second reload" less than a week before Rubicon was released. Despite assurances he would be carefully following feedback and look at changes if they were warranted, it's quite obvious he has zero interest in acknowledging that he might have screwed up. He has lost any and all credibility with players for a lot of the shortsighted changes he's implemented.

Don't expect to see any changes to the SoE battleship, and don't expect it to get tweaked if it turns out to suck.

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Uriel Paradisi Anteovnuecci
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#1550 - 2013-12-20 00:15:07 UTC
Ransu Asanari wrote:
First off, I hate the design. Having the circle on the front, and the fins at the back is confusing for which way it's supposed to go... or is it the other way around? Pick one or the other. Both the Astero and Stratios designs were very pleasing, and I'd like to see the Nestor follow that aesthetic.

If it followed the same design it'd look like some sort of speedy, over sized Stratios. The ship is really original looking and I like it the way it looks now. I want it to stay that way.

Also though, it could use +2 warp core strength. Or switch the rr bonus to drone rr bonus, remove rr range bonus and give an increase to drone optimal range/velocity in its place.

...Nah, I like it the way it is- I'll fly it (after a while). But it could use the warp core strength. After all, it's designed for exploration according to CCP.

http://asgeirjon.com/gallery/concept-art/ this guy has done a lot of the game's concepts- I want it to stay the way it is on this ship's design Big smile

"A City made of Dreams is built in heaven"
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#1551 - 2013-12-20 00:26:59 UTC
It kind of resembles a kitchen appliance, I just can't put my finger on it...

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Uriel Paradisi Anteovnuecci
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#1552 - 2013-12-20 00:30:22 UTC
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
It kind of resembles a kitchen appliance, I just can't put my finger on it...

http://bakingbites.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/DSC_3568.jpg

I like it regardless- plus I use one of these to make omelettes Smile

Mmm, space omelettes..

"A City made of Dreams is built in heaven"
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#1553 - 2013-12-20 00:32:25 UTC
Uriel Paradisi Anteovnuecci wrote:
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
It kind of resembles a kitchen appliance, I just can't put my finger on it...

http://bakingbites.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/DSC_3568.jpg

I like it regardless- plus I use one of these to make omelettes Smile
Mmm, space omelettes..

Tehe, that's the one. Lol

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Zvaarian the Red
Evil Leprechaun Brigade
#1554 - 2013-12-20 00:53:41 UTC
Electrique Wizard wrote:
Zvaarian the Red wrote:
Hasikan Miallok wrote:
Zvaarian the Red wrote:
Still no edits to this thing? Overpriced, gimped Domi with pointless bonuses FTW eh CCP?




Yeah it sort of spins its wheels and gets nowhere compared to the Domi.

You have a laser range bonus but no bonus to drone range so you need omnis and scope rigs to get the drones up there with the turrets if you fit beams. However even when you do that, the raw targeting range is not up to scratch and if you fill the mids with omnis there is no room for a sebo. Alternatively you can fit pulse but then you have an issue with tank cos even with the bonus resist there are not enough lows to get damage mods for both the lasers and the drones while also having enough tank to fight at scorch range.

In the end by juggling you can probably get a boat with similiar drone range and DPS as the Domi but at 10 times the cost and needing twice the skills.

It's not really a serious drone contender ... but when you consider the noise being made by GSF about drones being "overpowered" in big fleet battles did anyone really expect a Domi on steroids ?????


I particularly love how well the intended use of lasers and RR go together. Roll

In all honesty I would've done something like this if I were CCP:

NESTOR

Amarr Battleship Bonuses:
4% Armor resistances per level

Gallente Battleship Bonuses:
10% drone damage and hitpoints per level

Role bonuses:
+2 warp strength
50% bonus to large energy turret range
50% increased strength for scan probes
100% base movement speed while cloaked

Stats unchanged.

This seems like much more of an exploration battleship that what CCP has created.


hahahahahahahahahah
its an exploration battleship, not a venture


You are kind of special huh?
Disciple Cax
Ethereal Morality
The Initiative.
#1555 - 2013-12-20 01:06:27 UTC
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
Shinzhi Xadi wrote:
Maybe the reason Rise stopped replying to this thread, is all the hostile comments he gets.

Maybe he should learn to work on his people skills. When the premise for a new feature has been predetermined, it's more than a little disingenuous to have a thread for "feedback".



That's not entirely fair since he did make a change based on the feedback. It's just not as much as we would have liked. And to the miscilaneous bonuses, I think it's funny. Who knows maybe someone will see them and come up with a great idea. Creativity is a collision of ideas no matter how weird or far out. It's how you sift through it and impliment that matters.
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#1556 - 2013-12-20 01:11:27 UTC
Disciple Cax wrote:
That's not entirely fair since he did make a change based on the feedback. It's just not as much as we would have liked. And to the miscilaneous bonuses, I think it's funny. Who knows maybe someone will see them and come up with a great idea. Creativity is a collision of ideas no matter how weird or far out. It's how you sift through it and impliment that matters.

Only when hit over the head with a blunt object...

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Zvaarian the Red
Evil Leprechaun Brigade
#1557 - 2013-12-20 01:14:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Zvaarian the Red
Disciple Cax wrote:
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
Shinzhi Xadi wrote:
Maybe the reason Rise stopped replying to this thread, is all the hostile comments he gets.

Maybe he should learn to work on his people skills. When the premise for a new feature has been predetermined, it's more than a little disingenuous to have a thread for "feedback".



That's not entirely fair since he did make a change based on the feedback. It's just not as much as we would have liked. And to the miscilaneous bonuses, I think it's funny. Who knows maybe someone will see them and come up with a great idea. Creativity is a collision of ideas no matter how weird or far out. It's how you sift through it and impliment that matters.


Seems pretty fair to me. The only change that has been made was an expansion of the nonsensical RR role bonus that they had already come up with. There have been zero changes to make the Nestor actually worth a damn for exploration (especially in wormholes), and I think it's obvious there won't be. So we have a gimped Domi with pointless bonuses for 10x as much isk basically. Yay!
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#1558 - 2013-12-20 04:29:08 UTC
Zvaarian the Red wrote:
Disciple Cax wrote:
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
Shinzhi Xadi wrote:
Maybe the reason Rise stopped replying to this thread, is all the hostile comments he gets.

Maybe he should learn to work on his people skills. When the premise for a new feature has been predetermined, it's more than a little disingenuous to have a thread for "feedback".



That's not entirely fair since he did make a change based on the feedback. It's just not as much as we would have liked. And to the miscilaneous bonuses, I think it's funny. Who knows maybe someone will see them and come up with a great idea. Creativity is a collision of ideas no matter how weird or far out. It's how you sift through it and impliment that matters.


Seems pretty fair to me. The only change that has been made was an expansion of the nonsensical RR role bonus that they had already come up with. There have been zero changes to make the Nestor actually worth a damn for exploration (especially in wormholes), and I think it's obvious there won't be. So we have a gimped Domi with pointless bonuses for 10x as much isk basically. Yay!

And to bring it back to being unfair, that increase in range was one of the most asked for things at the time. Looking at the alternatives a BS was never a goto for profession sites and likely won't ever be. Additionally the lack of mobility associated with battleships and the fact that it's role competes with a variety of capable ships including a covert cloaking cruiser made this a hard sell to begin with, but at it's base they thought up something pretty innovating in the very low mass. Also considering the feedback has fallen well short of focused I'd guess their at least thinking about it hence the lack of response. The concern regarding what can be added to it that would make it desirable across all areas of space is a pretty big one and I know I can't come up with an easy answer save the one thing we know isn't coming, a covert cloak.
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#1559 - 2013-12-20 08:42:06 UTC
It's a $1-billion ISK Braun. I guess that will appeal to some players...

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Savira Terrant
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#1560 - 2013-12-20 09:13:50 UTC  |  Edited by: Savira Terrant
Tyberius Franklin wrote:

And to bring it back to being unfair, that increase in range was one of the most asked for things at the time. Looking at the alternatives a BS was never a goto for profession sites and likely won't ever be. Additionally the lack of mobility associated with battleships and the fact that it's role competes with a variety of capable ships including a covert cloaking cruiser made this a hard sell to begin with, but at it's base they thought up something pretty innovating in the very low mass. Also considering the feedback has fallen well short of focused I'd guess their at least thinking about it hence the lack of response. The concern regarding what can be added to it that would make it desirable across all areas of space is a pretty big one and I know I can't come up with an easy answer save the one thing we know isn't coming, a covert cloak.


And I am still of the opinion that the "all areas of space" thing is nonsensical to begin with. Even exploration has 4 very different applications.

Quote:
scan stuff and
1. hack and chase spew loot (perfect for Astero)
2. hack and tank high alpha/GTFO (perfect for Statios)

3. blitz something that is basicly a level 4 mission
(needs a bs that can be there fast and undetected in the first place - not talking cov ops cloak here - and no, I will not be scanning in a BS)

4. dps for wormhole sites
(needs a cheap bs with non-cap dependent omni-resist-armor-tank (preferably gallente profile since it won't get jove profile),
non-cap dependent gank other than drones
make repdrones the thing for wormholes for sites that don't require guardians for a bs fleet
absolutely no need for a any sneaky stuff for this ship)


That being said, I say make the Nestor perfect for the third application and save the mass bonus for a later added true wormhole bs.

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