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How the **** do i make any ******* money.
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seth Hendar
I love you miners
#61 - 2013-12-19 16:07:10 UTC
Agent Luther Sloan wrote:
Tyrton wrote:
Signal11th wrote:

Run lvl 4's they are good for 15-30 mil an hour probably more (haven't run any for years but I imagine they are still around this mark)


fixed mission prices for you



If you're only making 15-30 mil an hour running lvl 4's you are doing them wrong. Adding isk rewards + bounties + LP I make at least 50 mil/hour, up to 75 or so if I get two really good ones in a row.

OP, hit me up in-game some time - I have standings to get decent lvl 4s from a couple corps and I'm always willing to help out someone new to missions.

50 to 70M / hour running lvl4 is the norm if done with regular BS / strat, in high sec.

if you max your connections + salvage + do it in a very good mission running ship like a machariel, this can go around 100-120M / hour.

up to 150-160 in lowsec, if you can chain them in peace.

but then if you can be in low without fearing trouble, there are then better means to make isk like running anoms / DED but this then require a good ship like a strat or an ishtar with good skills, a good t2 ishtar will be the bare minimum in investment to be able to run those solo, a 1B strat will do without blinking an eye, and in the long run, you will do far better than running lvl4, cause even if not all DED dropp big loot, the payout is at least 60-70M for a 5/10 and 70-90M for a 6/10, this is if no loot at all, just the personnal effect, this can go up to +-1b (the biggest i remember, might go even higher), i'd say a 300-500M / DED average is realistic if you do them often (based on my experience, and i'm not specially lucky on drop and i don't chase DED, just do the ones in my area)
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#62 - 2013-12-19 17:30:40 UTC
Zol Interbottom wrote:


Running missions was fine but i was losing money, grinding the rep needed for the decent ones just takes too long


WHAT? Losing money when running mission?
Stitcher
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#63 - 2013-12-19 17:37:31 UTC
I just build stuff. It seems to work. Some nice people are paying me to build stuff for them.

AKA Hambone

Author of The Deathworlders
Rekon X
Doomheim
#64 - 2013-12-19 17:38:53 UTC
If isk is all your concerned about then is it really a game?

Definition of goon - a stupid person Those who can do, those who can't spew
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#65 - 2013-12-19 17:41:15 UTC
Rekon X wrote:
If isk is all your concerned about then is it really a game?


Depends on what level you are having trouble making some. If you have trouble with making even a few million, even frig PVP will put large dent in your wallet so fixing that part of your game play is priority number one before any other potential fun can be had.
Notorious Fellon
#66 - 2013-12-19 17:42:47 UTC
Rekon X wrote:
If isk is all your concerned about then is it really a game?



In the early days of gaming we had only one measure. It was called "Score".

Do not assume that just because someone seeks ISK that it is somehow without meaning.

Crime, it is not a "career", it is a lifestyle.
Logical 101
PowerCow Farm
#67 - 2013-12-19 17:50:30 UTC
Zol Interbottom wrote:
I don't know what the **** I'm doing wrong.

Knocking out almost 20 pages worth of posts and threads going back to 2012 without learning anything about EVE in the process was your first mistake. Your second mistake was being bad at EVE.

Assuming you are not a troll, please follow these steps to ensure ISK is generated...

1) Play this game with other people

2) Go back to the basics

3) HTFU and stop squirting tears all over my new suit

Good luck, señor!
Ruskarn Andedare
Lion Investments
#68 - 2013-12-19 17:55:21 UTC
Frostys Virpio wrote:
Zol Interbottom wrote:


Running missions was fine but i was losing money, grinding the rep needed for the decent ones just takes too long


WHAT? Losing money when running mission?


Can only guess was using faction ammo with no supporting skills
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#69 - 2013-12-19 18:00:33 UTC
Ruskarn Andedare wrote:
Frostys Virpio wrote:
Zol Interbottom wrote:


Running missions was fine but i was losing money, grinding the rep needed for the decent ones just takes too long


WHAT? Losing money when running mission?


Can only guess was using faction ammo with no supporting skills


With the wrong size of gun too maybe.
Paranoid Loyd
#70 - 2013-12-19 18:09:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Paranoid Loyd
OPLol

On a serious note, you seem to lack the focus it takes to make isk. You need to choose what you want to do, train the proper skills and stick to it for a while. "Rome was not built in a day"

For example, you commented on your lack of standings gain, have you trained the social skills required to get a the best standings boost possible? Have you even made yourself aware of these skills?

"There is only one authority in this game, and that my friend is violence. The supreme authority upon which all other authority is derived." ISD Max Trix

Fix the Prospect!
ZenThunder
State War Academy
Caldari State
#71 - 2013-12-19 18:45:38 UTC
Sheesh - Just have fun. There are lots of weird ways of making isk that dont involve missions or mining... You can ninja salvage in low/null for example, or even in highsec near gankspots... Or find secret trade routes using the eve-central tools, or get a cheap frig and some exploration skills and just see whats out there. If you find something cool and make some isk great, if not then great you still had a good time. If you *want* to grind up missions then do it, but I found it boring as heck and could never bother (although I've always enjoyed mining so whatever)..

There are also ways of making money that are cool enough no-one will ever post them on the forums - its up to you to explore and discover/invent these on your own Blink

be creative, have fun - don't grind unless its your thing.

Sounds weird but it would be fun to start over with zero cash and skills, just to see what I could do in a day/week/month.. You would be surprised.

Also - if you get spendy like I sometimes do.. It can help to have a second character who is just your 'bank'... keep siphoning isk off your main to your bank alt's wallet so you wont be tempted to waste isk.
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#72 - 2013-12-19 19:00:38 UTC
Zol Interbottom wrote:
Stefanita Juarez wrote:
PvP pays good if you win enough. PvP in eve these days is blob or gank. So fit a cat go to Jita and ruin some noobs day. Crime pays in eve.


Until I'm on a negative sec status, permanently trapped out of highsec with no money and no way to actually do anything


You are never trapped out of highsec.

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Saji'us
Magnetar Dynamics
#73 - 2013-12-19 19:03:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Saji'us
0/10

In the weird off chance this is actually real, as a poster above mentioned:

"or get a cheap frig and some exploration skills and just see whats out there."

I fully support this advice. Also remember, the rewards from low-sec exploration are much higher than highsec. Blink
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#74 - 2013-12-19 19:14:53 UTC
Just go to the Character Bazaar and offer yourself for sale, OP.

That will do two things.

1) Give you some working capital.
2) You get to start a new character with some actual focus.

Mr Epeen Cool
Careby
#75 - 2013-12-19 19:23:44 UTC
Zol Interbottom wrote:
...Running missions was fine but i was losing money, grinding the rep needed for the decent ones just takes too long

I don't dispute that running missions can be boring and that grinding standings can be tedious. But you say running missions was fine, which doesn't sound like you found them all that unpleasant. So I do not understand the "takes too long" part of your complaint. I can only guess that you have a very low threshold of pain, or that the goal of your post is something else entirely.

You only need modified standing of 5.0 with any one npc corp to have access to level 4 missions for that corp. You can get that in two hard days if you plan it right (that means regular missions and storyline missions for the same npc corp). I can't imagine how it could take longer than a week, even if you didn't have a plan. Well, I suppose I can - if you ran missions for many different corps instead of sticking with one.

But just so we're all on the same page, how many of each level mission have you run? And what is your highest standing with an npc corp? What kind of mission? Security, mining, or distribution? What social skills have you trained?
LUMINOUS SPIRIT
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#76 - 2013-12-19 21:10:24 UTC
I made 38 billion isk in last 2 months.....and in not even farming..... ISK is sooo easy to make

OP, factional warfare is your BEST and EASIEST way to make isk. you dont even need a ship, just spin them buttons in the noob ship, and cash out the LP.

or do missions if you like safety.
Boomhaur
#77 - 2013-12-19 21:53:05 UTC
I made over 500mil when my account lapse in the course of 2 weeks. That was just selling junk. Missions are easy as well, in the past over 50mil an hour, don't know what I do now in my TFI but I imagine it be more as the 50mil mark was in a Tengu. Pretty much when I got the TFI my internet provider decided they hate me and I have a shoddy connection now, lv4 + shoddy internet = dead ship so I avoid it. PI you can make some easy money there with very little work. or skill. Heck I can train 3 characters for 1 month (total) and get the total profit to be over 100mil by end of the month and thats starting from scratch.

So yeah OP learn to play, we don't hand out money to the weak. If you don't like it go back to WoW it may be more your speed.

Welcome to Eve. Everyone here is an Evil Sick Sadistic Bastard who is out to get you. Anyone who tells you otherwise is either trying to scam you or use you.
DaReaper
Net 7
Cannon.Fodder
#78 - 2013-12-19 22:00:32 UTC  |  Edited by: DaReaper
I have played eve for nearly 10 years, in that time, I broke 1b isk twice, once 3 years ago when I sold all my assets over the years and got a donation from a member and bought a nyx, to just recently.

For 7 years I played eve with a max of 500m in my wallet. Most fo the time I would replace stuff I lost, or waste money on crap I did not need. Hell I did not break 200m till year 3.

I mined, missioned, npc's, pvped, etc. But when I ran my own corp my isk either went to replacing stuff I lost, or helping out my corp/corp mates. Was once accused of 'embezzling all my corp isk' when anyone who actually knows me, knows I have always been pretty much poor. I would have enough money to do what I wanted, and that suited me fine.

Why am I telling you that? Because as others have said, if you are poor you are doing something wrong. I would spend hours recruiting, or running pos' that I never took a cut from, because I found that sort of thing fun. The only way I ever saved any money was by using an alt and transferring isk to it. Cause if I had 100m I had to go buy a new ship, or skill, or undock and get blown up running fuel to pos' in providence (ah the kari pipe in the BoS UK days..)

So as a friend told me, the only way you will make money is when you WANT to make money, and then losses become unacceptable. So you need to look at your patterns and see what the hades you are wasting your isk on. And more then likely stp doing it, or make an alt that holds you money. Cause when you want a new ship, if you are not willing to log off and into your alt to buy it... then clearly you don't need it.

also check your skills, if you are not breaking 100m isk in at least a week (hell you can do it in a few hours) mining, then your skills are wrong. Same with pvp, missioning. You can easily make 100m doing lvl 4's or npcing if you do it right.

OMG Comet Mining idea!!! Comet Mining!

Eve For life.
DaReaper
Net 7
Cannon.Fodder
#79 - 2013-12-19 22:09:40 UTC
Zol Interbottom wrote:



Running missions was fine but i was losing money, grinding the rep needed for the decent ones just takes too long


Then you need to figure out where your money is going. Missions is a faucet, money comes in. You should not lose any money, at all, just doing missions. So you are spending your money unwisely.

Its like the guy who makes a $1,000,000 a year, then wonders why he is always broke after paying all his bills and spending money in random stuff. Only you control your money, if you make isk then have none after, you are spending more then you take in. Stop doing that. People make money by saving it, not by getting 10m then buying a 10m isk skill book everytime they get 10m.

OMG Comet Mining idea!!! Comet Mining!

Eve For life.
Spartacus Batiatis
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#80 - 2013-12-19 22:17:30 UTC
Do Factional Warfare plexing, it's very lucrative even in tier 1.
I gathered more than 600mills in just 3 days with my other new character plexing for the Gallente Federation.

If you wanna plunge into it, i advise you to read some articles about it first so that you'll invest your time more wisely.

If you wanna do some thing do it right.