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Need help deciding how to go about null exploration.

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Iko Fumimasa
State War Academy
Caldari State
#1 - 2013-12-19 19:19:49 UTC
I have a total of 3 accounts, that have skills good enough to survive in null.

Account 1 can fly a proteus, or a helios or astero, great combat and scanning skills

Account 2 is quite similar, combat skills are a bit less

Account 3 can fly a helios as well, but would need to train all the scanning/hacking from scratch.

I'm not planning on moving to null, just some exploration, I'm ok with long term exploration as well. My questions are, should I take all 3 out there for some reason? If I do, I dont want to be running around 3 different systems at once trying to multibox the hacking game. What sort of ship should I take out there? This is NPC null I plan on going to by the way.

"We are pod pilots. We're the Joneses of outer space. So long as they make me decent sandwiches and stay the **** out of my face, my crew is doing their job." - Logical 101

Hav0cide
The Graduates
The Initiative.
#2 - 2013-12-19 19:51:48 UTC
Iko Fumimasa wrote:
I have a total of 3 accounts, that have skills good enough to survive in null.

Account 1 can fly a proteus, or a helios or astero, great combat and scanning skills

Account 2 is quite similar, combat skills are a bit less

Account 3 can fly a helios as well, but would need to train all the scanning/hacking from scratch.

I'm not planning on moving to null, just some exploration, I'm ok with long term exploration as well. My questions are, should I take all 3 out there for some reason? If I do, I dont want to be running around 3 different systems at once trying to multibox the hacking game. What sort of ship should I take out there? This is NPC null I plan on going to by the way.


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Paranoid Loyd
#3 - 2013-12-19 19:53:17 UTC
3 accounts is great for extended stays.

Account one: Scout / Explorer
Account two: Combat capable
Account three: Cloaky hauler

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Iko Fumimasa
State War Academy
Caldari State
#4 - 2013-12-19 22:15:55 UTC
Hav0cide wrote:
Iko Fumimasa wrote:
I have a total of 3 accounts, that have skills good enough to survive in null.

Account 1 can fly a proteus, or a helios or astero, great combat and scanning skills

Account 2 is quite similar, combat skills are a bit less

Account 3 can fly a helios as well, but would need to train all the scanning/hacking from scratch.

I'm not planning on moving to null, just some exploration, I'm ok with long term exploration as well. My questions are, should I take all 3 out there for some reason? If I do, I dont want to be running around 3 different systems at once trying to multibox the hacking game. What sort of ship should I take out there? This is NPC null I plan on going to by the way.


Contact me ingame and we discuss it, its easier than you think =]



o/

I will do this as soon as i'm on and see you on.

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Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#5 - 2013-12-19 22:29:39 UTC
if you're new to nullsec combat sites, I'll let you know its a bit easier to learn them when people aren't trying to kill you, which will happen a bit more often in NPC null. You may find npc nullsec a great place to base from while you actually go a bit deeper for the exploration part. Timezone matters though. Best is if you're just living in the area you're exploring, be that in npc nullsec with a corp, or in sov null with intel channels. However then you gotta deal with not exploring in certain places.

If your combat main flies a proteus, then be in guristas/serp space. Ishtar is generally superior to the proteus once you're in a site, although plenty of the sites are doable in a blaster proteus, its just less efficient. Definitely put your ship in a proper combat fit though. Covops t3's can scrape by in lowsec but don't waste your time in null. Ishtar can get around easily enough with mwd/cloak trick and mobile depot refits, even better if you have a scout. Ishtar aslo has about twice the cargobay of a prot, which matters now that mobile depots are a thing.

Combat skills take longer to train than scanning skills. Better to train a second toon for scanning than for combat. T3's make excellent scouts/scanners/hackers as well, because they generally won't die ever, and they can pitch in on dps within a site.

Research the sites. Evelopedia is generally pretty good.

Know how to d-scan, watch local, and be vigilant. Once you've past the first room of the plex, you should never get surprised by someone warping in on you, you should always have plenty of warning. If you have the luxury of a spare account, you can leave someone outside the gate as a visual warning as well.

Overloading is incredibly useful in difficult explo sites.

I don't know what your ideal setup is for the 3 accounts, but dual proteus with a blockade runner sounds quite good. In drone config, proteus has worse dps and projection than ishtar, but is far tankier ( a weakness of the ishtar). With two drone proteuses, you should get quite respectable performance. Also, in blaster config, they do hella dps, and the mwd sub means you really aren't hurting your tankiness mwding to the next target. Keep in mind that in some plexes, the ability to snipe dangerous threats is required. A blockade runner gives you the versatility to do all kinds of things, spare drones, all kinds of subs, and be out nearly indefinitely away from a station.

Wormholes are good for travel, although with nullifier sub it may be faster to just take gates straight back to empire.

Lastly, if you do opt for the dual proteus route, don't gimp the scanner by putting scanning rigs on it (because you will be needing it for combat). use a faction expanded launcher with faction probes, train the subsystem to 5, and astrometrics to 5, leave everything else at 4 and call it good.

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Iko Fumimasa
State War Academy
Caldari State
#6 - 2013-12-19 22:42:56 UTC
I may not have been clear enough, sorry.

I am not looking to do combat sites at this time. If/when I become more comfortable in null that may be possible, but for now i'm looking at running relic/data/ghost sites

"We are pod pilots. We're the Joneses of outer space. So long as they make me decent sandwiches and stay the **** out of my face, my crew is doing their job." - Logical 101

Dato Koppla
Balls Deep Inc.
Minmatar Fleet Alliance
#7 - 2013-12-20 00:36:59 UTC
Iko Fumimasa wrote:
I may not have been clear enough, sorry.

I am not looking to do combat sites at this time. If/when I become more comfortable in null that may be possible, but for now i'm looking at running relic/data/ghost sites


Then you really don't need 3 accounts, you can easily do it with 1, 2 would be better just to have a scout to avoid gatecamps. All you need is a CovOps (Stratios/T3 for Ghost sites) to run the sites and a scout (fast aligning interceptors with bubble immunity are great null scouts) to do those sites. This is actually a good way to start out while you familiarize yourself with the space: routes to take, commonly camped systems, the locals, busy times and down times etc. and also allows you to setup bookmarks for future use. Eventually you want to upgrade to combat sites though because the income from relic/data/ghost sites are not really great and you're trying to support 3 accounts so you'll need quite abit.
Iko Fumimasa
State War Academy
Caldari State
#8 - 2013-12-20 03:09:37 UTC
That will work decently fine I think then. One can stay in carebear space and build things and mine.

I'm not actually needing to actively support 3 accounts that hard, I don't mind paying the sub on all 3, and they have pretty much everything they need. I wouldn't say I'm super space rich, but at this point I feel I can afford a loss or two

"We are pod pilots. We're the Joneses of outer space. So long as they make me decent sandwiches and stay the **** out of my face, my crew is doing their job." - Logical 101

Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#9 - 2013-12-20 07:27:45 UTC
Iko Fumimasa wrote:
I may not have been clear enough, sorry.

I am not looking to do combat sites at this time. If/when I become more comfortable in null that may be possible, but for now i'm looking at running relic/data/ghost sites


wow. take proteus, fit mods, go to null. Not complicated.

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Lokna Rohgar
Logars Heroes
#10 - 2013-12-20 09:43:40 UTC
There are all kinds of ship you could easily do this in but the covops ones are best for the purpose.

In an astero you could easily do all the relic and data sites, but it might not have a large enough cargo bay for long runs.

The stratios on the other hand was pretty much made for this goal, it could even do some of the combat sites and live trough ghost sites if you buffer tank it with a mobile depot.

Strategic cruisers are also very capable of this, with its versatile configuration options and a mobile depot the sky is the limit basically.

But lots of people tend to overlook the T2 cov ops to, with cov ops at 5 you will have like the T3 cruiser a very large scanning bonus, leaving you with more options for fitting. Can easily take a mobile depot but that would take quite a chunk out of the cargo bay. If you have good skills, take one of the caldari or gallente cov ops (because of more mid slots then the others) and you should be fine for quite a long time in null. And at a fraction of the cost for a stratios or T3 cruiser. Not to mention more agility.

Just try stuff out, dont sit in station or stare at pyfa or eft, go out and let the low and nullsec people have a shot at you.
Iko Fumimasa
State War Academy
Caldari State
#11 - 2013-12-20 16:50:10 UTC
Batelle wrote:

wow. take proteus, fit mods, go to null. Not complicated.



for a carebear a first run to null is something that is a pretty big step.

Anyway I was thinking, tell me what you guys think about this, A scout cloaky astero on one pilot, with a stratios fit for exploration on the second pilot.

I could even fit the astero with one type of analyzer, and the strat with the other if needed. I was thinking of training scanning and stuff on the astero pilot, they could be the one with the probe launcher, that would leave an additional high open on the strat for a remote rep for my drones. I am also thinking I could bring a mobile depot if needed for refitting.

Thoughts? Fit recommendations for this pair? (I'm noob at fitting)

"We are pod pilots. We're the Joneses of outer space. So long as they make me decent sandwiches and stay the **** out of my face, my crew is doing their job." - Logical 101

Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#12 - 2013-12-20 17:17:19 UTC
Iko Fumimasa wrote:
Batelle wrote:

wow. take proteus, fit mods, go to null. Not complicated.



for a carebear a first run to null is something that is a pretty big step.

Anyway I was thinking, tell me what you guys think about this, A scout cloaky astero on one pilot, with a stratios fit for exploration on the second pilot.


if you're just doing hacking sites, leave the other accounts at home. You don't need a scout, because your single ship will be cloaky, and also nullified if its a t3. Stratios is just money down the drain unless you plan to actually use it to shoot things. Use a helios or a proteus. Proteus has the nullifier advantage and also people that try to ambush hackers by pre-scanning sites might be more hesitant to engage it. It also has 5x the tank of the stratios. And you won't die by forgetting about the 30s cloak reactivation.

"**CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!"**

Never forget.

Iko Fumimasa
State War Academy
Caldari State
#13 - 2013-12-20 17:24:36 UTC
Batelle wrote:
Iko Fumimasa wrote:
Batelle wrote:

wow. take proteus, fit mods, go to null. Not complicated.



for a carebear a first run to null is something that is a pretty big step.

Anyway I was thinking, tell me what you guys think about this, A scout cloaky astero on one pilot, with a stratios fit for exploration on the second pilot.


if you're just doing hacking sites, leave the other accounts at home. You don't need a scout, because your single ship will be cloaky, and also nullified if its a t3. Stratios is just money down the drain unless you plan to actually use it to shoot things. Use a helios or a proteus. Proteus has the nullifier advantage and also people that try to ambush hackers by pre-scanning sites might be more hesitant to engage it. It also has 5x the tank of the stratios. And you won't die by forgetting about the 30s cloak reactivation.


The only shooting I'd be doing this particular run would be ad the rats in ghost sites, or not even shooting and just tanking them and the explosion. I'd guess a properly fit proteus can tank a ghost site explosion?

"We are pod pilots. We're the Joneses of outer space. So long as they make me decent sandwiches and stay the **** out of my face, my crew is doing their job." - Logical 101

Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#14 - 2013-12-20 21:36:21 UTC
Iko Fumimasa wrote:


The only shooting I'd be doing this particular run would be ad the rats in ghost sites, or not even shooting and just tanking them and the explosion. I'd guess a properly fit proteus can tank a ghost site explosion?


Rats leave shortly after the explosion, do not shoot them. t3's can handle the explosion without breaking a sweat, although I would fit a plate, damage control, and explosive hardener, along with the augmented plating sub. Its worth being a tad overtanked too, one time I failed a can but had enough buffer that I could move to the next one, I ended up taking two full explosions and had plenty of hp left over.

"**CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!"**

Never forget.

Roel Yento
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#15 - 2013-12-25 18:03:00 UTC
Iko Fumimasa wrote:
Batelle wrote:

wow. take proteus, fit mods, go to null. Not complicated.



for a carebear a first run to null is something that is a pretty big step.

Anyway I was thinking, tell me what you guys think about this, A scout cloaky astero on one pilot, with a stratios fit for exploration on the second pilot.

I could even fit the astero with one type of analyzer, and the strat with the other if needed. I was thinking of training scanning and stuff on the astero pilot, they could be the one with the probe launcher, that would leave an additional high open on the strat for a remote rep for my drones. I am also thinking I could bring a mobile depot if needed for refitting.

Thoughts? Fit recommendations for this pair? (I'm noob at fitting)


If going to null is a big step, try out lowsec first. Also start with data/relic sites if you just want to go straight for null and like mentioned above, use a covert ops. Once you get a feel for an area and how to move around then try out your t3. You can also look for wormholes that connect through chains or direct to null from highsec too. If you have no experience with pvp or how it is done it is good to learn even for just simply knowing how to avoid or escape it.