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[ISHTI] Declaration of War
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Morijah d'Hanguest
Ishtirak d'Hanguest
#1 - 2013-12-18 15:28:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Morijah d'Hanguest
In the Name of the Lord


To Whom it May Concern,

as a result of the hostilities expressed by the leadership of the Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris [PIE] towards the direction of Her Grace The Duchess, Ishtirak d'Hanguest [ISHTI], which acts as the capsuleer branch of the Duchy of Palas, has declared war on the aforementioned alliance to protect and honour the dignity of Her Grace The Duchess, and all His Majesty’s subjects, and to punish the crime of heresy and lèse-majesté.

As judged requisite by Her Grace The Duchess, all commanders of the Ducal Palasian Squadron [DPS], its attached mercenary forces, and all captains of civilian vessels are authorised and instructed to subdue, seize and take any armed vessel of the Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris which shall be found within the jurisdictional limits of the Duchy of Palas, or elsewhere.

Yours sincerely,
Morijah d’Hanguest
Ducal Chancellor
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#2 - 2013-12-18 15:31:48 UTC
It is, in the parlance of the creche, on.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
Anslo
Scope Works
#3 - 2013-12-18 16:19:39 UTC
PIE is in Bleak Lands...and you guys are waaay out by Khanid right?...would there even be a fight??

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Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#4 - 2013-12-18 16:52:50 UTC
Given their hiring of mercenaries, there will at least be a fight by proxy.

For the first time since I started the conversation, he looks me dead in the eye. In his gaze are steel jackhammers, quiet vengeance, a hundred thousand orbital bombs frozen in still life.
Anabella Rella
Gradient
Electus Matari
#5 - 2013-12-18 16:55:57 UTC
So the woman who once made sex holoreels for fun and profit is accusing PIE of evil-doing and heresy? Shocked

Not that I have any love for PIE and their ossified leadership but, wow. This seems like the very definition of hypocrisy.

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Anslo
Scope Works
#6 - 2013-12-18 17:00:31 UTC
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
Given their hiring of mercenaries, there will at least be a fight by proxy.

So their dec is just posturing and grandstanding?

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Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#7 - 2013-12-18 19:26:42 UTC
Anabella Rella wrote:
So the woman who once made sex holoreels for fun and profit is accusing PIE of evil-doing and heresy? Shocked

Not that I have any love for PIE and their ossified leadership but, wow. This seems like the very definition of hypocrisy.


Actually, that is very old fashioned Amarrian...

Though couldn't it be solved by one of those judicial duels ?
Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#8 - 2013-12-18 21:13:59 UTC
Anslo wrote:
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
Given their hiring of mercenaries, there will at least be a fight by proxy.

So their dec is just posturing and grandstanding?

They posted it in the IGS. It's all about grandstanding here.

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Constantin Baracca
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#9 - 2013-12-18 21:18:16 UTC
Pieter Tuulinen wrote:
Given their hiring of mercenaries, there will at least be a fight by proxy.



By the by, and because I don't really have need of these things myself, how much does it cost to hire a mercenary band to annoy your enemies? You would think that financing someone's group of, I'm assuming, well-trained and coordinated capsuleer pilots would be more than they could collectively make fighting in other theaters of warfare. In the areas PIE frequents, you would think that would drive up the price.

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Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#10 - 2013-12-18 21:28:29 UTC
I'm not sure, Constantin. To be honest the only PMC I've worked for is Pyre and we're on a long-term secured contract at the bidding of our shareholders.

Ask Jude, he's carried out two contracts to my knowledge, so he must know what to charge.

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Makoto Priano
Kirkinen-Arataka Transhuman Zenith Consulting Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#11 - 2013-12-18 23:31:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Makoto Priano
Terms vary. Usually, a contracting party will cover war declaration fees, a regular recurring fee for the mercenary group, and possibly bonuses for kills. It's also possible that, when mercenaries are used to corset existing forces, said mercenaries will negotiate for some amount of logistical support or participation in any existing ship-replacement program.

As always, contracts vary widely with respect to negotiated terms and probable difficulty.

Were I, for instance, retaining a force to provide additional capital ship support for operations in null security space, I'd be surprised if SRP wasn't part of the contract given the potential for high losses if a fleet commander makes a bad call. On the other hand, if the mercenaries are operating independently under a CONCORD-sanctioned military action in secure space, I very much doubt SRP would be an option.

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X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#12 - 2013-12-19 00:03:50 UTC
Please post battle reports - if your side actually decides to "capsule up" and undock.
Stalking Mantis
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#13 - 2013-12-19 12:04:55 UTC
X Gallentius wrote:
Please post battle reports - if your side actually decides to "capsule up" and undock.


Doctrine wars.........

They sure don't make em like the old Wolfsbrigade / Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive war anymore that's for sure.

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Sofia Roseburn
Verdant Inquiries
#14 - 2013-12-19 12:12:35 UTC
Stalking Mantis wrote:
X Gallentius wrote:
Please post battle reports - if your side actually decides to "capsule up" and undock.


Doctrine wars.........

They sure don't make em like the old Wolfsbrigade / Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive war anymore that's for sure.


Cripple fights don't count.

Go back further. The Star Fraction versus The Kimtoro Directive. That's a war.
Kaid Hayden
Seven Stars Search and Rescue
#15 - 2013-12-19 12:43:14 UTC
Anabella Rella wrote:
So the woman who once made sex holoreels for fun and profit is accusing PIE of evil-doing and heresy? Shocked

Not that I have any love for PIE and their ossified leadership but, wow. This seems like the very definition of hypocrisy.



Hey, don't judge, we've all been young and broke and desperate to pay off debts when some slimey dude in a suit and with an Impetus business card asks you if you'd like to make some quick and easy dough - I mean, I haven't. But I've heard of people who have. Like -

Wait, a war? Oh, snap.
Anatole Madullier
Alexylva Paradox
#16 - 2013-12-19 15:14:34 UTC
Kaid Hayden wrote:
- I mean, I haven't. But I've heard of people who have. Like -


Dude, are you sure you didn't play the kitchen drone repair guy in Who Wants to Ball a Millionaire?

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Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#17 - 2013-12-19 18:25:28 UTC
Anatole Madullier wrote:
Kaid Hayden wrote:
- I mean, I haven't. But I've heard of people who have. Like -


Dude, are you sure you didn't play the kitchen drone repair guy in Who Wants to Ball a Millionaire?

Naaa, it was Amarr Amore 3: Slave Satisfaction. I'm sure of it.

A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.
Kaid Hayden
Seven Stars Search and Rescue
#18 - 2013-12-19 18:28:43 UTC
Claudia Osyn wrote:
Anatole Madullier wrote:
Kaid Hayden wrote:
- I mean, I haven't. But I've heard of people who have. Like -


Dude, are you sure you didn't play the kitchen drone repair guy in Who Wants to Ball a Millionaire?

Naaa, it was Amarr Amore 3: Slave Satisfaction. I'm sure of it.



IGS bullying is a crime!
Claudia Osyn
Non-Hostile Target
Wild Geese.
#19 - 2013-12-19 18:53:50 UTC
Kaid Hayden wrote:
Claudia Osyn wrote:
Anatole Madullier wrote:
Kaid Hayden wrote:
- I mean, I haven't. But I've heard of people who have. Like -


Dude, are you sure you didn't play the kitchen drone repair guy in Who Wants to Ball a Millionaire?

Naaa, it was Amarr Amore 3: Slave Satisfaction. I'm sure of it.



IGS bullying is a crime!

Not bullying, it was a fantastic film won, 3 intergalactic Adult entertainment awards. Kudos.

A little trust goes a long way. The less you use, the further you'll go.
Zelarrs Elkoth
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#20 - 2013-12-19 20:45:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Zelarrs Elkoth
Anabella Rella wrote:
So the woman who once made sex holoreels for fun and profit is accusing PIE of evil-doing and heresy? Shocked

Not that I have any love for PIE and their ossified leadership but, wow. This seems like the very definition of hypocrisy.


In the (alleged*) Duchess' defense, I believe that the story is that the release was not condoned on her part. "Leaked" holo as it were. So the profit accusation may be off the mark.

Morijah d'Hanguest wrote:
In the Name of the Lord


To Whom it May Concern,

as a result of the hostilities expressed by the leadership of the Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris [PIE] towards the direction of Her Grace The Duchess, Ishtirak d'Hanguest [ISHTI], which acts as the capsuleer branch of the Duchy of Palas, has declared war on the aforementioned alliance to protect and honour the dignity of Her Grace The Duchess, and all His Majesty’s subjects, and to punish the crime of heresy and lèse-majesté.

As judged requisite by Her Grace The Duchess, all commanders of the Ducal Palasian Squadron [DPS], its attached mercenary forces, and all captains of civilian vessels are authorised and instructed to subdue, seize and take any armed vessel of the Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris which shall be found within the jurisdictional limits of the Duchy of Palas, or elsewhere.

Yours sincerely,
Morijah d’Hanguest
Ducal Chancellor


I was wondering if there would be an IGS post for this. Thought it likely.

Your capsuleer branch seems to have one pilot in it. Surely that's a CONCORD error?

Hrmm and we are now heretics?

Your "Grace" posts a screed against the institutions of the Empire and Orthodoxy:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=281488&find=unread

...takes umbrage at Amarrians taking umbrage, by all accounts hires a corp apparently largely populated by minmatar brigands and sani sabuk to wardec us, and we are the heretics? Perhaps that is a poor choice of words on your part?

EDIT: * Sorry, haven't been able to find confirmation of the holder claim. I presume this merely a record keeping error.

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