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Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#101 - 2013-12-19 03:22:34 UTC
Kagura Nikon wrote:
Tetsuo Tsukaya wrote:
Kagura Nikon wrote:
Its better for these people if the game pushed them into real corps.

I would increase NPC tax rate a LOT but based on character age. Example. Your tax start at 0 and increase by 10% per month. Up to something like 50%.

When you create a corp, the startign minimal tax (Taht does nto go to the corp wallet) be around 25%. And htat tax reduced by 1% per member in the corp.


Not really. People play the game certain ways because that is the gameplay that appeals to them. This idea that you can force people to play differently and they're going to be happier for it is pretty half baked and ridiculous in a ame like EVE that presents you with near infinite ways to play when you're logged in.

I mean, you are literally saying "this game has infinite approaches to gameplay and having been presented with this wealth of options people have chosen wrongly and I want to force them to play differently because they will have more fun!". That's ridiculous.

TL;DR - maybe you should take up mining mate, you'd be happier.



Sure you cannot be sure they wil be happier. But you can be sure they will not have the CHANCE to be happier if they never are exposed to it.

If they dislike they are always free to go back to NPC corp with high tax. If you decide to live ain an isoalted wrold, the tax itself does nto matter. Since you do not iterat with other peopel the more or less money is just an illusion. Because no one else is more or less rich than you sicne they do not exist for you.

Wealth comparisons are irrelevant regardless of being in a player corp or not and the market, where isk serves it's functional purpose as a trade commodity, sees all comers as equal. That being the case your justification is severely misguided or an uninformed lie.

There is also the grand illusion that somehow being in an NPC corp is some overreaching bubble that protects one from negative interaction, and if we're going to to pay the price for that isolation, shouldn't we actually get it? (The answer is of course, no, but the core issue of isolation is equally fictitious)
IbanezLaney
The Church of Awesome
#102 - 2013-12-19 03:23:39 UTC
Xaak Arji wrote:
Why is this game so F***ing elitist? It's so stupid that I cannot exclude myself from a war decc. Makes me so angry it makes my experience with Eve a total piece of S***. Millions lost because I can't just be left the hell alone, yet still have some sense of community and guys to run PvE. As a new player I can not get ahead because every time I join a corp, some ass hole f***ing thinks it's funny to blow my s*** up in a stupid ass war. Seriously. Rant over.



Stop joining shiitty high sec carebear corps.

From your OP - It seems you keep repeating the same behavior and expecting a different result.


Join a low sec pvp corp. Learn to pew and then once you can protect yourself go back to high sec.
There is not much in eve that a well flown Griffin and a few Merlins cant handle.

You just need to learn some basics.

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Joan Greywind
The Lazy Crabs
#103 - 2013-12-19 04:11:10 UTC
CCP Falcon wrote:
War is the fuel that keeps the gears of New Eden's economy turning.

Without stuff being blown up, and without people blowing stuff up, the demand for new hardware would plummet, and the economy would grind to a halt.

While it sucks to lose stuff, that's life in New Eden due to the hypercapitalistic, conflict fueled society that we all live in.

My best advice as an 11 year veteran of EVE?

Learn to shoot back.



BOOM HEADSHOT

Why are we still discussing this?
Seven Koskanaiken
Shadow Legions.
SONS of BANE
#104 - 2013-12-19 04:21:56 UTC
Connaght Badasaz wrote:
High Sec pvp'ers should really not waste this isk on war-decs. Simply go on into Null fly around abit, maybe even shoot someone. There will be a fight shortly. Easy as pie. Unless bangin the backend of a mission fit ship is your gig. If it is, I'm sorry. Really.


Less risk is what highsec needs.
Valkin Mordirc
#105 - 2013-12-19 06:01:10 UTC
Sorry Xaak Arji but it's not EVE thats the problem it you.
#DeleteTheWeak
Kagura Nikon
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#106 - 2013-12-19 09:16:30 UTC
Tyberius Franklin wrote:




Wealth comparisons are irrelevant regardless of being in a player corp or not and the market, where isk serves it's functional purpose as a trade commodity, sees all comers as equal. That being the case your justification is severely misguided or an uninformed lie.

There is also the grand illusion that somehow being in an NPC corp is some overreaching bubble that protects one from negative interaction, and if we're going to to pay the price for that isolation, shouldn't we actually get it? (The answer is of course, no, but the core issue of isolation is equally fictitious)



There is the fake or not fake issue of isolation but there is the issue , and very real, of most people never experiencing the game as it was tought to be played and depriving themelves fromt he best of the game and depriving the game from themselves before being able to do a proper judgement.


There must be a way to break this preconception, to point to players how much better the game is when played in a group. If all players tasted it, in a good corp, just a tiny minority would go back to NPC corps.

"If brute force does not solve your problem....  then you are  surely not using enough!"
Kagura Nikon
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#107 - 2013-12-19 09:20:01 UTC
Connaght Badasaz wrote:
High Sec pvp'ers should really not waste this isk on war-decs. Simply go on into Null fly around abit, maybe even shoot someone. There will be a fight shortly. Easy as pie. Unless bangin the backend of a mission fit ship is your gig. If it is, I'm sorry. Really.



I want to PVP without worry of triage carriers, without bubbles , so that I can use freely my slave and snake sets. I dont like smartbombing gate camps.

I want just a different type of PVP.

That is where the carebears fail!

They think high sec is for non PVP activities. NO. High sec is just ANOTHER type of PVP, that is different from low sec, from 0.0 from Worm space.


And stop callign people PVPers, that is same as callign us simply Eve players. There is no non PVPers in EVE. Even if you think you do not PVP you are wrong, you do PVP, you are just horrible at it.

"If brute force does not solve your problem....  then you are  surely not using enough!"
Magna Mortem
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#108 - 2013-12-19 11:04:47 UTC
Kagura Nikon wrote:
Tyberius Franklin wrote:




Wealth comparisons are irrelevant regardless of being in a player corp or not and the market, where isk serves it's functional purpose as a trade commodity, sees all comers as equal. That being the case your justification is severely misguided or an uninformed lie.

There is also the grand illusion that somehow being in an NPC corp is some overreaching bubble that protects one from negative interaction, and if we're going to to pay the price for that isolation, shouldn't we actually get it? (The answer is of course, no, but the core issue of isolation is equally fictitious)



There is the fake or not fake issue of isolation but there is the issue , and very real, of most people never experiencing the game as it was tought to be played and depriving themelves fromt he best of the game and depriving the game from themselves before being able to do a proper judgement.


There must be a way to break this preconception, to point to players how much better the game is when played in a group. If all players tasted it, in a good corp, just a tiny minority would go back to NPC corps.

Yes. Have people in the starter corps telling new players the truth, preventing the veterans already there to make new players go mine or mission on their own. That's what you need to do.
Sal Landry
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#109 - 2013-12-19 13:03:06 UTC
Kagura Nikon wrote:

There is the fake or not fake issue of isolation but there is the issue , and very real, of most people never experiencing the game as it was tought to be played and depriving themelves from t he best of the game and depriving the game from themselves before being able to do a proper judgement.

Not that I think people should be immune to war decs or anything, but are you seriously implying that being farmed by HG slave highsec warlords is "the best of the game"? Seriously?
Kagura Nikon
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#110 - 2013-12-19 13:52:49 UTC
Sal Landry wrote:
Kagura Nikon wrote:

There is the fake or not fake issue of isolation but there is the issue , and very real, of most people never experiencing the game as it was tought to be played and depriving themelves from t he best of the game and depriving the game from themselves before being able to do a proper judgement.

Not that I think people should be immune to war decs or anything, but are you seriously implying that being farmed by HG slave highsec warlords is "the best of the game"? Seriously?



No. Iteraction with other peopel where you can learn, do things toghether, make planas and go over your obstacles is.

Enroll in eve uni at least. You will learn more there and play more eve than ANY solo player ever did.

And you are only goign to be farmed if you keep the mentality of a solo dude. When you learn to iteract with others, voilá. ITs extremely hard to die. We are commonly in wars with other high sec merc corps, but its very rare for us to loose a ship. Is that becaue of our SP count? No. Its because we are a group, learn togheter, share experiences share intel and learn to communicate.

"If brute force does not solve your problem....  then you are  surely not using enough!"
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#111 - 2013-12-19 13:54:10 UTC
Xaak Arji wrote:
Why is this game so F***ing elitist?



Because its a descendent on a 1984 game called "Elite"



Duh

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
ISD LackOfFaith
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#112 - 2013-12-19 19:50:09 UTC
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