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How the **** do i make any ******* money.
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seth Hendar
I love you miners
#41 - 2013-12-19 13:35:57 UTC  |  Edited by: seth Hendar
Zol Interbottom wrote:
In my entire time playing EVE I've made less than 100m ISK, I've run missions, done PI, mined rocks in space, I've ****** around shooting belt rats, shot up haulers in lowsec and diving into null to find decent sites.

I don't know what the **** I'm doing wrong, i know that the intense world of market PvP is always available for people who are willing to spend the time and effort running their 0.001's.

Aside from just going out and buying a PLEX.

I've been living on donations from other players after 10 ******* days of playing every time I've come back to the game and i'm rather sick of it.

the way i started:

1- run lvl1 mission with a good frig, then switch to some lvl2

stick to those until you can afford a good cruiser (for me it was vexor)

you are now ready for some lvl 3 / roflstomp lvl2 easy, at this time, it could be good to also invest in a salvage destro


keep doing this until you can afford a good BC, myrm was it for me

from now on, work yourself on getting standing for doing lvl4, you will do a lot of lvl3 but you should roflstomp them easy. once you can access lvl4, you should be able to afford and fly a BS


this is for highsec, in low, exploration will do very very well, or even some easier things provided you know what to look for.

hint: we have a couple of guys +- your ingame age(10 to 20 days), they do +-100M in around 1-2h easy, this is solo, when they come with more experienced player in sigs / plex, they might do more, for exemple we ran a 6/10 DED last week, 2 experienced players + 2 "noobs", took +- 20-25m, drop was 1.2B -> that is 300M / each, and we let the new guys "fight" around the salvage, and they made correct money, they even wanted to share :)

while a 1.2B drop in a 6/10 is not often, 500m is regular, this should give you an idea.
Charlie Firpol
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#42 - 2013-12-19 13:37:29 UTC
Jacob Holland wrote:
Zol Interbottom wrote:
I'm sort of limited to what i can do that i enjoy, running decent missions or joining the faction for FW i want is stuck behind large money and rep walls that would take months of grinding for me to overcome

How about this roadmap:

Start a brand new character in one of your other character slots. play through all of the tutorials, the career agents included, to get a bunch of (actually useful) stuff while training up the skills this new character needs to fly a frigate in FW (Frigate skill, Prop jamming, guns...etc). Take your frigate of choice and sell everything you decide you don't need from the tutorials - don't worry about the prices you'll get, just liquidate the stuff for ISK. Go to Arnon and run the SoE Epic Arc "The Blood Stained Stars" most of which you can do in your frigate, get some help if you need to (this is where doing it on a new character is valuable) and pump the huge faction standing boost that gives you into your faction of choice for FW.
Buy a bunch more frigates and fittings, move them or get them moved for you and join FW.
You can probably reach this point within a couple of days if you really grind for it - a week or so at a more sedate pace where you can actually learn from the experience. Any time you have left on a reactivation, a trial or PLEX can then be spent pillaging the FW system for LPs and making bank.


Just quoting for truth

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Dirk Massive
D.O.O.M.
#43 - 2013-12-19 13:44:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Dirk Massive
It's one thing to ask a question on these forums and get a bunch of suggestions, but in all honesty, you need to just find somebody in game to take you under their wing, and show you the ropes. For a long time I was like you, and was bleeding ISK, actually making very little. Somebody actually showing you what to do, and where to do it, and how it's done is about the only way when you're this frustrated.

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Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#44 - 2013-12-19 13:51:03 UTC
In a year and a half youve made 100m?


Really?


"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Jack Mayhem
Kaer Industries
#45 - 2013-12-19 13:52:30 UTC
TLDR: OP sucks either at making money or conserving it. Both are related to not being very intelligent.
Nick Starkey
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#46 - 2013-12-19 13:57:13 UTC
SIgn up for fw, farm plexes... easy isk

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Vicky Somers
Rusty Anchor
#47 - 2013-12-19 14:03:30 UTC
You ******* **** all you ******* gotta ******* do is ******* mine those ******* asteroids the **** harder.
Darth Mouse
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#48 - 2013-12-19 14:13:31 UTC
Jack Mayhem wrote:
TLDR: OP sucks either at making money or conserving it. Both are related to not being very intelligent.



Do the newbie missions - and Faction repair plan. Linked here.

This will get you into level 3's.
If you're finding yourself spending more money than you are making on missions, consider a non-ammo based ship.
Drones or Pew Pew Lasers.

Level 4 mission will net you about 50-60mil a pop in bounties, and more if you go back and salvage it.
(Salvage book and T1 salvager cost about 2mil tops - So you've got the cash).

No one can really help you more than we have, giving you donations just feeds the whine machine.
My Cyno alt makes money and is logged in about 30 minutes a day.
Cyber SGB
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#49 - 2013-12-19 14:19:01 UTC
Zol Interbottom wrote:
... their 0.001's



It's .01 Now you can be the supreme market trader.

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Kate stark
#50 - 2013-12-19 14:21:44 UTC
acquire more isk than you spend.

easy.

Yay, this account hasn't had its signature banned. or its account, if you're reading this.
Eurydia Vespasian
Storm Hunters
#51 - 2013-12-19 14:24:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Eurydia Vespasian
I didn't read the whole thread...so, I don't know if this has been mentioned. but you make money in eve, as in real life, by saving more than you spend. if you are losing ships and clones, you are losing money. if you are buying shiny things you don't really need and not having the income to support that habit, you are losing money. if you have a steak appetite on a bologna pocketbook...your "career" will always be in shambles.

edit: way to go, kate lol
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#52 - 2013-12-19 14:27:05 UTC
"Annual income twenty pounds, annual expenditure nineteen pounds nineteen and six, result happiness. Annual income twenty pounds, annual expenditure twenty pounds nought and six, result misery."

- the Micawber Principle

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#53 - 2013-12-19 14:40:14 UTC
dunno what you're talking about "0.01 rep increase," a single mission gives like 10x that, and it only takes like 10-15 missions to go from level 3's to level 4's, and level 3's are fast. Just get connections and social to level 3-4 and you're good to go.

Also FW is low barrier money, although you have to grind for a bit then cash out, and unless you've royally screwed up all your empire standings you can join it instantly with no problem.

If you have issues with security status you can go rat in lowsec with a destroyer and handle that with minimal risk as well.

Ratting in nullsec is also good because you can just undock and go, no messing around with loyalty points, mission areas, or things like that.

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Kitanga
Lowsec Border Marshals
#54 - 2013-12-19 14:48:00 UTC
Zol Interbottom wrote:
In my entire time playing EVE I've made less than 100m ISK, I've run missions, done PI, mined rocks in space, I've ****** around shooting belt rats, shot up haulers in lowsec and diving into null to find decent sites.

I don't know what the **** I'm doing wrong, i know that the intense world of market PvP is always available for people who are willing to spend the time and effort running their 0.001's.

Aside from just going out and buying a PLEX.

I've been living on donations from other players after 10 ******* days of playing every time I've come back to the game and i'm rather sick of it.



level 'connections' and 'social' skills so that you can get to level 4 agents faster.

if your sec needs fixing look for 'clone' rats in lowsec, they drop a tag you can turn in for quick sec fixing.

/thread
Vol Arm'OOO
Central Co-Prosperity Union
#55 - 2013-12-19 14:56:38 UTC
Zol Interbottom wrote:
Stefanita Juarez wrote:
PvP pays good if you win enough. PvP in eve these days is blob or gank. So fit a cat go to Jita and ruin some noobs day. Crime pays in eve.


Until I'm on a negative sec status, permanently trapped out of highsec with no money and no way to actually do anything


No. Not at all. Bad sec status just means harder logistics. You can still gank in highsec for isk with a bad sec status, you will just need some help, like an orca alt to drop ships for you. But ofc all of eve becomes eaiser with alts and friends. BTW its relatively easy to repair sec status - go to low and grind for tags (which is decent isk in and of itself), or you can just by the tags with the isk you make from ganking.

Most isk I ever personally made was from ganking haulers. It worked real well, until the haulers stopped coming. Now, for the sake of variety, I'm trying out the pve aspects. For me, it hasn't been nearly as lucrative or fun. But then again, I'm probably doing it wrong.

I don't play, I just fourm warrior.
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#56 - 2013-12-19 15:25:00 UTC
I know a super secret way to make 70-100+ mil ISK an hour, guaranteed, with no risk and very low skill requirements involved. Yes, even with a 10 day old character. ISK grinders hate me.

I'm not telling you about it though, because being a raging ass doesn't get you anything in Eve. Try again, and maybe ask nicely.

Accidentally The Whole Frigate - For-newbies blog (currently on pause)
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#57 - 2013-12-19 15:29:55 UTC
A typical level 4 mission earns at least 10 million ISK with the bounties included.

Old, but mostly still applicable:
Beginner's guide to * MAKING ISK * in EVE-Online
SKINE DMZ
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#58 - 2013-12-19 15:38:20 UTC
OP Lol worst eve player?

I disagree
Jax Zaden
Prometheus Deep Core Mining
#59 - 2013-12-19 15:47:50 UTC
I made 120M yesterday - milking 3 Level 4 Enemies Abound (two part 3, one part 5).
Victoria Sin
Doomheim
#60 - 2013-12-19 16:05:41 UTC
There are four ways to make money in Eve:

(1) Run a corp and get other people to make money for you via tax
(2) Be a highly skilled character and have a plan, i.e. trading, industry and so on
(3) Be a low skilled character and mine, rat or run missions
(4) Buy plex

Personally I've never done 4. I've done a lot of 3 and once you get to level 4 combat missions your wallet does tick over OK, though not spectacularly. I've done some ratting in null too, but like everything I do too often it gets kind of dull. Now with a highly skilled character I do science/industry and make a tidy profit.

Depending on your SP you might want to join a null corp, or even better if you're kind-of new, an academy for a null corp that starts you off in empire and then moves you to null when you're grown up.