Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I got past the mining tutorial hurdle because I stuck to it. It took that bit of "stupid game mechanics" as far as a tutorial goes, to convince me to dig into the game with Google, and on forums like these and Eve University.

However, I am an older person who, I believe, has much more patience than the average gamer. How many potentially paying customers did not subscribe because they found the game mechanics to be stupid?

I'm not asking for a 100% safe zone. I'm not asking to take away your playstyle. All I'm asking for in instruction for those players that are truly rookies. How hard is it to even change the wording of the mission itself, to point out that it may be necessary to go to another solar system to find a non-empty asteroid belt? Is that so hard? Will it ruin the caliber of EVE player you claim should belong to EVE? Are you afraid of change, even something so minor? Or are you the type of person that feels it is necessary to perpetuate the suffering? You suffered, so everyone else must too?

Should Aura pop up to point out that all manufacturing slots are busy? Yes, if it's part of a tutorial.
Should Aura pop up to point out [whatever], YES, if it's part of a TUTORIAL. Otherwise, NO.

If it's part of a tutorial. There is a difference.

If the wording of the mission is changed to indicate that I have to explore different solar systems to find the resource I want, that is perfectly in line with the game mechanics.

EDIT: If it was the intent of CPP to have rookies struggle to figure out basic things, there WOULD NOT BE tutorials.

I've read the pirate thread in crime and punishment, so I have some respect for you Cannibal.

But is it too much to ask for the mission giver to include "you may have to go to other solar systems if asteroid belts in this system are empty."

I mean, that sentence alone implies that you have to explore to find resources, and it implies that asteroid belts CAN be empty. Things that fit just fine in a tutorial.

Am I really asking for too much? Is that being spoon fed?

You do know that CCP doesn't want to target the general I-like-any-WoW-like-MMO players.

Their target audience is much smaller and they try to target the "older" gamers. The ones with patience and who don't mind doing a bit of reading to find out how mechanics work.

Hence why the impatient people leave...Because EVE isn't the game for them.

Much like I will never play WoW or any other fantasy, scripted from front to back MMO. Because I like a challenge and those games lack that.

easy solution, make strip miners not work in 1.0 systems. Easy to implement too, and would hardly hurt anyone.

If rookies are warping to belts in their starting systems and finding no ore, thats a problem.

I don't support banning strip mining from rookie systems, although I do support alternative measures. Having the tutorial mining missions send you to a deadspace pocket to mine mission-only ore isn't an unreasonable solution, but I think the idea I like best is to add a line to the mission text somewhere in red that states the useful info that asteroid belts can be depleted by mining them, that there may not be any in-system and that you will have to look somewhere else for one if this happens to be the case.

There is really no way you can expect a fresh newbie to have any idea of that, and pointing it out in the missions Aura assigns isn't really as hand-holdy as people want to think it is. There's a difference between EVE being difficult and EVE being unnecessarily stressful.

The problem here is not strip miners. It is the archaic down time based asteroid respawn system.
Change All asteroid belts over to 3-5 respawning 'Asteroid Clusters' that work similar to the null sec industry anomalies, except obviously contain only appropriate materials for the system the same as the belts do.
This then solves the 'stripped out because the newbie logged on near downtime' issue, while also making the 'belts' more logical.

Why not just reduce their yield based on system's security status? So they would be only 50% effective in 0.9 and 1.0 systems, maybe 60% in 0.8 and so on (so that they wouldn't be 100% effective in any of the highsec).
Of course, there will be people using Ventures to deplete belts, but since Venture has much lower bay than Retriever or Mackinaw, in reality it won't be much better.

It's not about breaking your sandbox. No one is asking for 100% immunity as a rookie. I also don't advocate having the rookie areas have different rules, like strip mining not working.

What I want to see, is an Aura pop up (only once!) when you enter your first asteroid belt when you have the mining mission, that says, "If there are no asteroids left, you may have to go to another belt. You may also need to travel to another solar system to find asteroids to mine."

If that is too "hand holding", then at the very least, change the wording of the mission itself to INSTRUCT a rookie to the fact that asteroid belts may be depleted and it may be required to travel to other solar systems to find some. If a rookie doesn't read the mission, then it's their fault.

Because that's a stupid idea you came up with to spite miners, not something aimed at keeping rookie systems usable.

I haven't read the whole thing - however, I would say ban STRIP miners in starter systems - you can even fly your fancy barge/exhumer there - just not activate the strips...... and/or newbies are always offered a mission belt in the noob system.....

my 2 cents