Player Features and Ideas Discussion

It's not working, at all. You're inventing mechanic after mechanic just to get around flaws in your idea. trust me, it won't work. Go back to the drawing board and start again from scratch.

I really do like the idea of a ramming mechanic that is completing separate from bumping. Bumping can be done with a Green safety in Incursion sites to help with a contest. Ramming would be a completely different tactic with completely different goals and risks.
I didn't read page 3 because the discussion got a little like watching toddlers fight, but I did see the idea of a Ramming button brought up. This would require you to go Red, like a smart bomb, and would solve the problem of Concord and aggression timers and all that mess. Jita undocks will not be a ram fest for everyone undocking because, even if your safety is Red you would have to select the Ram option. Possibly make it like an Overheat for your engines, causing hull damage that scales based on how long it is running but increases your speed by drawing power from your shields and requiring a system reboot that effectively results in a cooldown should you survive the impact.
Would it be seen everywhere? I would bet not. Would it be fun to see and do if your ship is going to die anyways? Hellz yea.
Shields should take less damage from the impact than armor and hull, maybe 60-75% of the damage, reducing the effect of gank ramming runs, and making it more of a tactical decision of when to ram instead of a spam tactic.
Mature thoughts are welcome. :)
Edited for spelling and to add a thought. Maybe shields less than a certain threshold, to allow for every ships passive ship regen, should take full damage and roll into armor. 2-3% of max should be fine although this greatly increases the depth of the mechanic. If this were ever to be implemented I think it should be rolled out in a simple way, shield take less regardless of whether it's 100% or 1%. A well timed ramming run, in the vast majority of such events, should not be effected by 1-2% of nuetral passive shield regen by the target.

And, given that flying in a fleet would be completely impossible without it, why would anybody ever turn it off?

I would love collision damages.
Planets, moons and most of the decoratives things on space should not be "traversable"

Turning collision avoidance off would destroy every ship in a fleet the second they tried to move. Why would anyone do that?

I still think shields should be the factor that determine if there is a collision or not... and that shielded ships only take ramming damage bellow a certain threshold.
I like the idea of a ramming module that drains the shield. Collisions only do damage while it's cycle is on and it works as the trigger for agression flagging. Damage is calculated based on speed and mass of the charging ship and since there's a module exclusive for that the agressor takes less damage than the victim (or maybe only the module is damaged). The amount of damage taken and inflicted also depends on the module variation.
This is not exactly a Collision Damage mechanic but it could be cool anyway. Maybe I'll rewrite it in a new thread later.

Let's say everyone aligned to the same planet after they exit warp and they set their speed to 100 m/s. Do you see any collisions by those actions? Now let's say that the fleet warps their wings in individually and to different spots on the grid. Do you see even more room for moving without friendly collisions? I do.



I do not support a ramming module because I think that collision damage should be applied the same way to all ships based on mass and velocity. I do think that MWD should be unable to collide given that the module puts the ship into a micro warp which is somewhat separated from normal space by using warped space.

The point here should not be to invent a new way to apply damage with a new module with new bonuses, new lore, etc, but to simply allow an existing mechanic to calculate damages in line with the laws of physics regarding the Conservation of Energy: KE1 = KE2

So why would anyone ever turn the magic collisions don't hurt button off?

Either running into something should hurt or it shouldn't. Whichever it is, it should work the same everywhere in space.

I'd also like to have collision damage in the game using only the existing mechanics, independent of modules, but after a lot of discussion and thought I realized this is very difficult to implement.
I think a module the way I described is a good solution. Maybe both ships can take damage, based on the kinectic energy involved in the collision, and the module acts as a resistance layer to the damage applied. This way we can still have suicidal rifters and the sort.

In Andy's case, keeping future Bustards from being blown up.

As for the rest, IDK...maybe they all fly epithals and do PI in low sec.