Player Features and Ideas Discussion

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I think here is where Balance enter to the field.

Drones can be drestroy "easly". Destroy them and you win.

Now compare all EWAR modules and how they apply:

- Webbers -> Slow down enemy. Doing this and oribting it you will gain a lot of transversal, so turrets will have a lot of problems against good pilots. No effect on Missiles, they still can hit, but you know how they work agains low sig high speed targets.

- ECM -> Jam the target. The target cant target anything, you know. Missiles still have FoF, but... low dps and random target.

- Dampener -> Disrupt the ability of targeting something, so cant target anything near his nose or need 2 minutes to target a Station. Same as ECM, Missiles and turrets cant do anything.

- Tracking Disruptors -> Make turrets almost useless, but is useless againts missiles.

Now think of a gang and what they are going to bring.
- Webbers is not as powerfull as the rest, but very important to slow down those dam enemys, so you will bring a Web Ewar ship or have few members with Webers.
- If you have pilots with ECM and/or Dampeners Ewar ships, you will bring 1 or 2 of them, so you will have support.
- Tracking Disruptor is powerfull, but... why bring this? With ECM and Dampener is enough and if we encounter missiles ships is useless, so is pure optional.

So, Web, ECM and Dampener are "mandatory" and Tracking Disruptor "optional"

And now buff Missiles application, Speed tanking will not be an option, they will hit better, so only ECM and Dampeners are usefull against them and Painters will become more usefull, so if you go with missile you will bring Painters too.

But Tracking is relegated to a "situational" fight with turret ships.

Maybe a script with the same bonuses as Tracking and Range will be too much, so reduce that bonus on Missiles Scripts, like 60-75% instead of 100%. The same can be done with Tracking Computer Scripts.

Now you will have TD almost at the same level as ECM and Dampener. Guns may hit, but is going to be more usefull.

Here an example of Script than can be use:

Max Velocity *Disruption* Script:

"Insert lore here" Modify the Optimal Range Bonus of the Module so it can affect missiles, but with a reduce bonus because it need to use some power to perform this modification.

Modification of Tracking Speed Bonus -100%
Modification of Optimal Range Bonus -100%
Modification of Max Velocity from Optimal Range Bonus 60%

Explosion Velocity *Disruption* Script:

"Insert lore here" Modify the Tracking Speed Bonus of the Module so it can affect missiles, but with a reduce bonus because it need to use some power to perform this modification.

Modification of Tracking Speed Bonus -100%
Modification of Optimal Range Bonus -100%
Modification of Explosion Velocity from Tracking Speed Bonus 60%

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As a passive module, it's relegated to a low slot - and we already have an active mid module in the form of Target Painters. Missiles don't utilize tracking, so they wouldn't be affected by Tracking Disruptors. This isn't a negotiation or opportunity for turret players to expand on their existing capabilities as Sensor Dampeners and ECM already exist to deal with missiles. Missiles are already the red-headed stepchild of EVE, so if you want to talk about toning down damage application perhaps you should redirect your focus to Sentry Drones and Drone Assist.


I don't have a problem with that.

Unless you're prepared to entertain an overall improvement to missile damage application and the possibility for critical strikes, no.

You've obviously never used missiles if you think they're currently balanced. I'm not going to disagree on your point about Defender Missiles; even missile players can't figure out where they're supposed to fit in. However, just look at the top 20 ships and top 20 weapons in kill mails. Almost no one uses missiles in PvP, and even less since Rubicon.

No - missiles use the host ships sensor strength, and there's already a counter for that (sensor dampeners).
No - there shouldn't be a way to disrupt missiles. Not unless you're also willing to give missiles a scripted mid-slot Ballistic Computer and allow missiles to have critical strike capability.

Regardless of speed, with turrets if you hit you can still do full damage. This is not the case with missiles, when speed will always offset damage to some extent. Most Caldari hulls only have 2-4 low slots, which doesn't leave a lot of options once you place two ballistic control modules - so a low-slot ballistic enhancer will almost always come at the expense of a damage control, third ballistic control, nanofiber module, etc.

I could go on and on about the differences between guns and missiles, but this really isn't the point.

Honestly, if they made TDs affect missiles, they'd have to either make TCs affect missiles as well, or make a missile-exclusive version of the TC that affected it as above.

And if they are going to do that, they'd probably just make TDs, TCs, and TEs all affect missiles directly (tracking bonus = explosive velocity bonus, and optimal/falloff bonus = missile velocity bonus).

Since increasing explosion velocity is identical to decreasing explosion radius (they are directly multiplied terms), you wouldn't need to do bonuses to each, hence why the optimal could translate to missile velocity instead of explosion radius.

This honestly isn't a bad system. It would make TDs more powerful, and give TCs, TEs, and remote TCs more versatile, but I'm not sure that's necessarily a bad thing. It would remove one of the primary blindspots of TD ships (they have two, missile boats and drone boats), but I'm not sure I regard that as a bad thing either, given how red-headed-step-child TD boats currently are. If it weren't for the neut bonuses, I'm not sure Amarr Recons/EAFs would still be flown. Then again, I live in WH, maybe it's different in blob fights.

You're ignoring the fact that there are plenty of missiles that work fine as is and that a mod that increases application will most likely make them op, this isn't the way to fix the broken launchers.

I dont think you need to give this idea. CCP already stated that they have that idea in their pipeline to ananlyse. But they need to balance it carefully alongside making TD affect msisile ssomehow.