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Is there a russian only server?

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Maekchu
Doomheim
#101 - 2013-12-19 05:04:04 UTC
Mel0veyou Longtime wrote:
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I'd love to know how your mind works. You try to sound sophisticated, yet fail to argue or even understand simple concepts. When all that fail, just pull the "profanity" card. Newsflash, profanity does not say anything about another human being, in terms of intelligence. It's a word, and like any other word, it is a tool used to express and deliver a message to a recipient. Obviously, there are different forums/contexts where there are different social rules. But "General Discussion" on the EVE Online forum, is not one of those places, where using profanity would be seen as a highly negative trait.


So you have different rules for yourself depending on the setting or context? I call that hypocrisy and being fake. I am who I am and I do not change depending on "context/forums". I suppose you could use that as "social refinement" as opposed to "two faced" or "fake".

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If you can't cope with response to your radical view on other people, then maybe you shouldn't vent it so casually. But obviously, you didn't personally attack the Russians. You just called the whole Russian population cheats, that use exploits to take advantage from other "honest" people, and they should all be confined to a single server. So "you" won't need to interact with them.


I said I have been victimized by more than a random handful of russian cheaters. I don't get how that infers that I said the enitre russian population cheats, as I never one time said that. You are grasping at very thin straws here. If they had their own server as an option, id bet they would migrate on their own. Would be an interesting social expiriment for eve.

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It's like if I would say "All those immigrants that come to my country... I have nothing against them, but just confine them somewhere so I will never need to interact with them. Clearly they are not speaking English, therefore they cannot be part of "my" community."


Apples and Oranges dude. Its in a game. Im talking about people in game. They hide behind avatars to do whatever. These people would not for the most part do this crap IRL. I know that "eve is real" for you but good god man. You are talking about RL comparisons here that have 0 basis in the way I feel about people in EvE. You must be getting tired or something so ill chalk up that little slice of ignorance to that.


I honestly hope that you are trolling. Because it is actually slightly scary, if you honestly believe in what you write and you really can't see any problem with what you are proposing.

It doesn't matter whether it's IRL or in a game. You discriminate people because of ethnic traits. Sounds pretty much like racism to me.

Maybe you didn't literally say "the entire" Russian population. But you want to confine all Russians to a single server, just because they are Russians. No matter how you put it, you discriminate against the whole population, which is why it can't be done and what you are saying is incredibly racist.

And no, the example used is perfectly applicable. The problem is not the example, it's just you not understanding it.
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#102 - 2013-12-19 05:05:33 UTC
"I'm not racist, that ethnic group just really sucks."

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Markus Auralias
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#103 - 2013-12-19 05:06:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Markus Auralias
There sure is a whole lot of talk about honor in this thread. Let me list to you the number of reasons why having honor is important in a space game:
MestariBation
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#104 - 2013-12-19 05:09:30 UTC
I want my own server

Send me isk im poor
Mel0veyou Longtime
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#105 - 2013-12-19 05:13:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Mel0veyou Longtime
Maekchu wrote:
Mel0veyou Longtime wrote:
Quote:
I'd love to know how your mind works. You try to sound sophisticated, yet fail to argue or even understand simple concepts. When all that fail, just pull the "profanity" card. Newsflash, profanity does not say anything about another human being, in terms of intelligence. It's a word, and like any other word, it is a tool used to express and deliver a message to a recipient. Obviously, there are different forums/contexts where there are different social rules. But "General Discussion" on the EVE Online forum, is not one of those places, where using profanity would be seen as a highly negative trait.


So you have different rules for yourself depending on the setting or context? I call that hypocrisy and being fake. I am who I am and I do not change depending on "context/forums". I suppose you could use that as "social refinement" as opposed to "two faced" or "fake".

Quote:
If you can't cope with response to your radical view on other people, then maybe you shouldn't vent it so casually. But obviously, you didn't personally attack the Russians. You just called the whole Russian population cheats, that use exploits to take advantage from other "honest" people, and they should all be confined to a single server. So "you" won't need to interact with them.


I said I have been victimized by more than a random handful of russian cheaters. I don't get how that infers that I said the enitre russian population cheats, as I never one time said that. You are grasping at very thin straws here. If they had their own server as an option, id bet they would migrate on their own. Would be an interesting social expiriment for eve.

Quote:
It's like if I would say "All those immigrants that come to my country... I have nothing against them, but just confine them somewhere so I will never need to interact with them. Clearly they are not speaking English, therefore they cannot be part of "my" community."


Apples and Oranges dude. Its in a game. Im talking about people in game. They hide behind avatars to do whatever. These people would not for the most part do this crap IRL. I know that "eve is real" for you but good god man. You are talking about RL comparisons here that have 0 basis in the way I feel about people in EvE. You must be getting tired or something so ill chalk up that little slice of ignorance to that.


I honestly hope that you are trolling. Because it is actually slightly scary, if you honestly believe in what you write and you really can't see any problem with what you are proposing.

It doesn't matter whether it's IRL or in a game. You discriminate people because of ethnic traits. Sounds pretty much like racism to me.

Maybe you didn't literally say "the entire" Russian population. But you want to confine all Russians to a single server, just because they are Russians. No matter how you put it, you discriminate against the whole population, which is why it can't be done and what you are saying is incredibly racist.

And no, the example used is perfectly applicable. The problem is not the example, it's just you not understanding it.


I understand the example perfectly. Its a stupid example. You are saying I hate anyone foreign IRL, because I dislike the russian population I have had 8 years of experience playing alongside. Its there in black and white. Reread your own post. Revel in how stupid your analogies are. (im not saying you are stupid, just your choice of analogy) So far you have stated in clear terms that I am comparable to a pedophile, which is just wrong on any level, and I am sorta sickened that you even made that comparison, and that I hate immigrants because they don't speak english. I am part japanese, part german and part spanish, american by birth. My very DNA is diverse. I suppose I could have rendered a different opening line, as I was pissed when I made my initial post, as I was pissed that I got gibbed by another russian clearly hacking. But im not going to flipflop on 8 years of getting crapped on by the same group of people over and over. I go out of my way as a caldari pilot to kill Gallente. I despise the gallente with a passion. But I dont go out and beat up french people because the Gallente are "french". The idea is nonsensical.
PotatoOverdose
Handsome Millionaire Playboys
Sedition.
#106 - 2013-12-19 05:13:55 UTC
Mel0veyou Longtime wrote:

I can amend that then. How about creating clusters then? Give russians the option to play on thier own server. Give NA the option to play on their own as well, sure. You people react like scalded cats at this idea. You do realize pretty much every game that exists, as an MMO, has cluster/shards that cater to specific language grps? I play EU server in LoL, because I like the diversity there. Practically EVERY. SINGLE. GAME, has regional servers. Clearly they are all RACIIIIIST. KILL THEM WITH FIRE!

So much rage, for such a small thing.

You realize the main point of eve is a single shard experience? Watch this, straight from CCP.

And "Everyone else does it" is never a good reason to do anything. Also, if the thread had been titled "Split eve into regional shards/servers," no one would have called you a bigot.

But as we clearly see at the top of this page, that isn't the title, and that wasn't the intention.
Mel0veyou Longtime
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#107 - 2013-12-19 05:20:53 UTC
PotatoOverdose wrote:
Mel0veyou Longtime wrote:

I can amend that then. How about creating clusters then? Give russians the option to play on thier own server. Give NA the option to play on their own as well, sure. You people react like scalded cats at this idea. You do realize pretty much every game that exists, as an MMO, has cluster/shards that cater to specific language grps? I play EU server in LoL, because I like the diversity there. Practically EVERY. SINGLE. GAME, has regional servers. Clearly they are all RACIIIIIST. KILL THEM WITH FIRE!

So much rage, for such a small thing.

You realize the main point of eve is a single shard experience? Watch this, straight from CCP.

And "Everyone else does it" is never a good reason to do anything. Also, if the thread had been titled "Split eve into regional shards/servers," no one would have called you a bigot.

But as we clearly see at the top of this page, that isn't the title, and that wasn't the intention.


Meh. Title was fairly inane, as it was a simple question. As for the post more questions. Get more offended over a game. Im only pissed because its always a russian botter or cheater I have the problems with. If germans or english people or Americans, or whomever start cheating their way to victory, ill make a thread asking for them to be sharded off as well. I lose ships in fair combat all. the. time. I dont QQ, eve is what eve is. You continue to back hacking and cheating which is the crux of the whole thing. I don't get it.
Maekchu
Doomheim
#108 - 2013-12-19 05:26:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Maekchu
Mel0veyou Longtime wrote:

I understand the example perfectly. Its a stupid example. You are saying I hate anyone foreign IRL, because I dislike the russian population I have had 8 years of experience playing alongside. Its there in black and white. Reread your own post. Revel in how stupid your analogies are. (im not saying you are stupid, just your choice of analogy) So far you have stated in clear terms that I am comparable to a pedophile, which is just wrong on any level, and I am sorta sickened that you even made that comparison, and that I hate immigrants because they don't speak english. I am part japanese, part german and part spanish, american by birth. My very DNA is diverse. I suppose I could have rendered a different opening line, as I was pissed when I made my initial post, as I was pissed that I got gibbed by another russian clearly hacking. But im not going to flipflop on 8 years of getting crapped on by the same group of people over and over. I go out of my way as a caldari pilot to kill Gallente. I despise the gallente with a passion. But I dont go out and beat up french people because the Gallente are "french". The idea is nonsensical.


Damn, ok...

If this is what you've understood so far from what I've written, then I gotta say your understanding of English is not very high. It is probably a very bad idea for you to promote an "English only" server, when your own understanding is so low. You might get left behind the gates yourself.

Maybe you should read the text more carefully. Seems like you just see some keywords, and then just jump to conclusion, instead of actually reading what the text says. You probably saw the word "immigrant" and immediately, thought it was an analogy made to just show you hate immigrants. But it wasn't. I could use the word "pizza-men" instead of "immigrants", the word "house" instead of "country" and use the factor "not having a box on their head" for "not being able to speak the language". The example, was meant to show you, isolating other people just because of different traits from your own is a discriminating practice, which is basically what you are proposing. I thought, the immigrants example would be rather easy to understand, because of it being a common real life issue and often debated.

I probably overestimated you a bit.
Eugene Kerner
TunDraGon
Goonswarm Federation
#109 - 2013-12-19 05:40:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Eugene Kerner
....and there we have another racist **** (and this time I mean ****). Evil

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PotatoOverdose
Handsome Millionaire Playboys
Sedition.
#110 - 2013-12-19 05:41:28 UTC
Mel0veyou Longtime wrote:


Meh. Title was fairly inane, as it was a simple question. As for the post more questions. Get more offended over a game. Im only pissed because its always a russian botter or cheater I have the problems with. If germans or english people or Americans, or whomever start cheating their way to victory, ill make a thread asking for them to be sharded off as well. I lose ships in fair combat all. the. time. I dont QQ, eve is what eve is. You continue to back hacking and cheating which is the crux of the whole thing. I don't get it.

Americans/Europeans cheat all the damn time. Quite recently (as of a month ago), N3/NC. used the "assign drones while inside a pos" exploit to save a tower and murder a goon fleet. That is now deemed an exploit. Cheating/exploiting is a way of life in eve, and always has been.

Don't believe me? Here's another excellent example showing euros/americans using an old wormhole exploit. Excellent video btw, you should watch it. If you don't think cheating/exploiting every advantage you can is an integral part of eve, you haven't been paying attention.

Likewise your original post (and all your other posts in this thread) have not provided any evidence whatsoever to backup your claims of dirty cheating ruskies. From where I'm standing, all you've brought to the table is unfounded allegations. And the single-sharded nature of eve is one of the main selling points of the game (see my previous post).
Mel0veyou Longtime
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#111 - 2013-12-19 05:42:37 UTC
Maekchu wrote:
Mel0veyou Longtime wrote:

I understand the example perfectly. Its a stupid example. You are saying I hate anyone foreign IRL, because I dislike the russian population I have had 8 years of experience playing alongside. Its there in black and white. Reread your own post. Revel in how stupid your analogies are. (im not saying you are stupid, just your choice of analogy) So far you have stated in clear terms that I am comparable to a pedophile, which is just wrong on any level, and I am sorta sickened that you even made that comparison, and that I hate immigrants because they don't speak english. I am part japanese, part german and part spanish, american by birth. My very DNA is diverse. I suppose I could have rendered a different opening line, as I was pissed when I made my initial post, as I was pissed that I got gibbed by another russian clearly hacking. But im not going to flipflop on 8 years of getting crapped on by the same group of people over and over. I go out of my way as a caldari pilot to kill Gallente. I despise the gallente with a passion. But I dont go out and beat up french people because the Gallente are "french". The idea is nonsensical.


Damn, ok...

If this is what you've understood so far from what I've written, then I gotta say your understanding of English is not very high. It is probably a very bad idea for you to promote an "English only" server, when your own understanding is so low. You might get left behind the gates yourself.

Maybe you should read the text more carefully. Seems like you just see some keywords, and then just jump to conclusion, instead of actually reading what the text says. You probably saw the word "immigrant" and immediately, thought it was an analogy made to just show you hate immigrants. But it wasn't. I could use the word "pizza-men" instead of "immigrants", the word "house" instead of "country" and use the factor "not having a box on their head" for "not being able to speak the language". The example, was meant to show you discriminating and isolating other people just because of different traits from your own is a discriminating practice, which is basically what you are proposing. I thought, the immigrants example would be rather easy to understand, because of it being a common real life issue and often debated.

I probably overestimated you a bit.


There you go again. Making it personal. My grasp of the english language is fine. You just have poor taste in analogies. I have seen people twist someone elses words, but you are doing it to yourself. I had a girlfriend read your analogies, and when she stopped laughing at the absurdity of comparing RL "its like if I said blah blah immigrants" scenarios, to me hating on people in EVE who have been nothing but douches to me for years, well....we both got a good chuckle. I don't hate anyone in eve. I don't hate anyone IRL. I dislike, sure. I'd rather not have to be around people who hack and cheat. The only hackers and cheaters I have been fcked by have been russian. I don't see why people are so offended. Like CCP is going to do anything anways. im just 4 accounts. You folks need to chill.
Mel0veyou Longtime
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#112 - 2013-12-19 05:50:42 UTC
PotatoOverdose wrote:
Mel0veyou Longtime wrote:


Meh. Title was fairly inane, as it was a simple question. As for the post more questions. Get more offended over a game. Im only pissed because its always a russian botter or cheater I have the problems with. If germans or english people or Americans, or whomever start cheating their way to victory, ill make a thread asking for them to be sharded off as well. I lose ships in fair combat all. the. time. I dont QQ, eve is what eve is. You continue to back hacking and cheating which is the crux of the whole thing. I don't get it.

Americans/Europeans cheat all the damn time. Quite recently (as of a month ago), N3/NC. used the "assign drones while inside a pos" exploit to save a tower and murder a goon fleet. That is now deemed an exploit. Cheating/exploiting is a way of life in eve, and always has been.

Don't believe me? Here's another excellent example showing euros/americans using an old wormhole exploit. Excellent video btw, you should watch it. If you don't think cheating/exploiting every advantage you can is an integral part of eve, you haven't been paying attention.

Likewise your original post (and all your other posts in this thread) have not provided any evidence whatsoever to backup your claims of dirty cheating ruskies. From where I'm standing, all you've brought to the table is unfounded allegations. And the single-sharded nature of eve is one of the main selling points of the game (see my previous post).


Not ONCE did I say euros and americans do not cheat. NEVER. NOT A SINGLE TIME. NONE. NUNCA. NYET. (see what I did there?)

I have stated time and time again, I have only witnessed the russians doing it, mostly to me. Im glad the N3 got busted for what happened to goons. I live for fair fights.

I will not present ANY evidence here as I turn it over to CCP. If I am wrong, they arent punished. It's not your place to judge evidence. I really do not care if you believe me or not, I know what I know. Up to you to make up your own mind, do your own research. I can only relay my own experience. Feel free to disregard, or just, I dunno stop posting lol. I understand, you sympathize with the russians. I know for a FACT they arent all bad. If a dog attacks me, ima damn sure be wary of dogs from that day forward, and do what I can to stay away from them. I dont have that choice in EVE, except to stop playing, which isnt going to happen. Stop behaving like this thread is going to suddenly change CCP policy. It is not.
Maekchu
Doomheim
#113 - 2013-12-19 05:52:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Maekchu
Mel0veyou Longtime wrote:

There you go again. Making it personal. My grasp of the english language is fine. You just have poor taste in analogies. I have seen people twist someone elses words, but you are doing it to yourself. I had a girlfriend read your analogies, and when she stopped laughing at the absurdity of comparing RL "its like if I said blah blah immigrants" scenarios, to me hating on people in EVE who have been nothing but douches to me for years, well....we both got a good chuckle. I don't hate anyone in eve. I don't hate anyone IRL. I dislike, sure. I'd rather not have to be around people who hack and cheat. The only hackers and cheaters I have been fcked by have been russian. I don't see why people are so offended. Like CCP is going to do anything anways. im just 4 accounts. You folks need to chill.


Well, I'm glad I could provide some cheap laughs for the both of you. Cause it doesn't seem like you have much else going.

The analogy is fine, but seems like not only one can't understand it, but two people are equally incompetent. Basically the analogy says, discrimination is bad, no matter the setting. You shouldn't isolate anyone, just because they have some traits that are not as your own. I could just have said this, but I wanted a scenario that one could relate to. Maybe make it easier for you to see how extreme your initial proposal was.

But chill Ruskies, he/she doesn't hate you, just dislikes you. And it's no problem, it's only a game right? Not real life... It's perfectly fine to be racist then.

I'm sorry, but the stupidity is just too high in this one... Please, don't get any babies with your girlfriend if you are male.

You'll make the world a favor.
PotatoOverdose
Handsome Millionaire Playboys
Sedition.
#114 - 2013-12-19 05:55:06 UTC
Mel0veyou Longtime wrote:

Not ONCE did I say euros and americans do not cheat. NEVER. NOT A SINGLE TIME. NONE. NUNCA. NYET. (see what I did there?)

I have stated time and time again, I have only witnessed the russians doing it, mostly to me. Im glad the N3 got busted for what happened to goons. I live for fair fights.

I will not present ANY evidence here as I turn it over to CCP. If I am wrong, they arent punished. It's not your place to judge evidence. I really do not care if you believe me or not, I know what I know. Up to you to make up your own mind, do your own research. I can only relay my own experience. Feel free to disregard, or just, I dunno stop posting lol. I understand, you sympathize with the russians. I know for a FACT they arent all bad. If a dog attacks me, ima damn sure be wary of dogs from that day forward, and do what I can to stay away from them. I dont have that choice in EVE, except to stop playing, which isnt going to happen. Stop behaving like this thread is going to suddenly change CCP policy. It is not.

So....you accept that both russians and non-russians cheat a plenty. You also accept that most everyone (again russian and non-russian) doesn't cheat. Yet you want a particular ethnic group isolated. Logic? I don't see any tbh. Seems more like....bigotry.
Mel0veyou Longtime
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#115 - 2013-12-19 06:01:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Mel0veyou Longtime
Maekchu wrote:
Mel0veyou Longtime wrote:

There you go again. Making it personal. My grasp of the english language is fine. You just have poor taste in analogies. I have seen people twist someone elses words, but you are doing it to yourself. I had a girlfriend read your analogies, and when she stopped laughing at the absurdity of comparing RL "its like if I said blah blah immigrants" scenarios, to me hating on people in EVE who have been nothing but douches to me for years, well....we both got a good chuckle. I don't hate anyone in eve. I don't hate anyone IRL. I dislike, sure. I'd rather not have to be around people who hack and cheat. The only hackers and cheaters I have been fcked by have been russian. I don't see why people are so offended. Like CCP is going to do anything anways. im just 4 accounts. You folks need to chill.


Well, I'm glad I could provide some cheap laughs for the both of you. Cause it doesn't seem like you have much else going.

The analogy is fine, but seems like not only one can't understand it, but two people are equally incompetent. Basically the analogy says, discrimination is bad, no matter the setting. You shouldn't isolate anyone, just because they have some traits that are not as your own. I could just have said this, but I wanted a scenario that one could relate to. Maybe make it easier for you to see how extreme your initial proposal was.

But chill Ruskies, he/she doesn't hate you, just dislikes you. And it's no problem, it's only a game right? Not real life... It's perfectly fine to be racist then.

I'm sorry, but the stupidity is just too high in this one... Please, don't get any babies with your girlfriend if you are male.

You'll make the world a favor.


You really are incapable of making a statement without insult aren't you? Go look up what Freud said about people like you =)
Meh I have fed off enough rage this evening.

Thx for the food.

yes. the entire time.
Maekchu
Doomheim
#116 - 2013-12-19 06:05:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Maekchu
Mel0veyou Longtime wrote:


You really are incapable of making a statement without insult aren't you? Go look up what Freud said about people like you =)
Meh I have fed off enough rage this evening.

Thx for the food.

yes. the entire time.


You insult the entire Russian EVE population, but somehow it's not OK when I insult YOU for being discriminating with that statement.

Yeah, you logic is flawless.
Stefanita Juarez
Doomheim
#117 - 2013-12-19 06:33:57 UTC
Mr. Orange wrote:
Wow, so brave posting this kind of crap with an alt... Roll


Do it with your main!


LOL. This game. "Post with your main! I don't agree with you and want to hunt you down in game." You people thay cry post wirh your main are as bad as the afk cloaky criers.
This is eve. And it does happen because I used to do it before I grew pubic hair.
Flame on!
GreenSeed
#118 - 2013-12-19 07:52:26 UTC
Russians rule eve, even the mittani is Russian, hes just RPing a bromerican.

btw, eve has tons of nationality based groups, they are nice to get people into the game. but after a while the players form up in organizations based on skills and interests. if you (OP) are into an "americans only" corp or some crap like that, you are missing in a lot of talent and cool people.

and if you are pissed because some Russian dropped in your plex and pew'd pew'd you, why do you focus on him being Russian? do you really think an American would have done different?
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#119 - 2013-12-19 08:09:57 UTC
GreenSeed wrote:
btw, eve has tons of nationality based groups, they are nice to get people into the game. but after a while the players form up in organizations based on skills and interests. if you (OP) are into an "americans only" corp or some crap like that, you are missing in a lot of talent and cool people.

The language thing is probably very helpful.

When I was a newbie, I once joined some sort of home defense fleet that happened to be formed by one of our russian membercorps. Sadly, I couldn't do much to help them as I couldn't understand the language. Though they were nice enough to tell me to join some other fleet, as they didn't speak english.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#120 - 2013-12-19 08:19:29 UTC
KuroVolt wrote:
We should really have a seperate forum for NPC alts.


This

Preferably they would be permabanned there as well

OP, you are a ******* idiot and you should skill yourself, in RL

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