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Is there a russian only server?

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Mel0veyou Longtime
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#81 - 2013-12-19 03:32:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Mel0veyou Longtime
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Let me walk you through this part by part.


Well, sticking my balls in your face, is definitely the more preferable option, compared to getting your balls near my face. But the whole "genitals" reference, came actually from yourself. I referred to a throwing of a ball... Something often used to visualize a dialog. But I suppose you highly developed brain saw the word "balls" and could only think of one thing. Also, do I sense a hint of homophobia as well? But why would I even be surprised?

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you think disliking people who have pretty much been nothing but abusive to you, is not ok (arguing opinion is just dumb)

A negative generalization of a whole ethnic group is usually not a bright idea. You know, there was this thing some time ago, where you'd get into this nice chamber just for being a Jew. And I suppose all Muslims are damn terrorists!

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you believe anyone who doesn't conform to your "one world happy family mentality"
is somehow socially unsophisticated

You can have whatever opinion you want, we live in a free world. The socially unsophisticated part, is where you vent your opinion on a public forum, and being able to cope with the backlash. You probably should have kept those views for yourself.

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I never claimed to be a master debater like you obviously must be. And I have never seen as much assumption in a single post as in your last one. And id rather be labeled a racist than a politician, fyi.

Neither did I... But even I can see you debate skills are rather limited. You probably should let other people do the talking. It is really ironic how you use "assumptions" as an argument, since your whole prejudice is build on assumptions. Ironic isn't it? But you probably can't see the point I'm making here anyway.

And FYI, the politicians part was meant as an insult. So the fact that you can't defend that, and just choose between a lose and lose situation is again an example of your poor argumentation and general understanding of what I write. The good thing is, that we now can conclude that you in fact are racist. Just proving my point...


TL:DR
Too many quotes and WAY too much smarmy, smug self righteousness. Clearly I didn't understand your balls reference. I thought you were making a pass at me. GJ on assuming I am a man, btw. Sexist much?
Mel0veyou Longtime
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#82 - 2013-12-19 03:44:11 UTC
PotatoOverdose wrote:
Mel0veyou Longtime wrote:

...Crash out and relog in....
.... russian bomber uncloaks, hotdrops on our faces. But wait, the bomber isnt on local....


Crashes, local lagging.....Sounds like your connection the the eve server is ****. That's a problem on your end, m8.

Mel0veyou Longtime wrote:

Even the smartest get robbed.

Naaah....As a general rule, only the dumb, naive, ignorant, or inexperienced get robbed blind. Not intended as an insult, just personal experience over the past four years.



Myself and 2 others in system crashed out, so I assumed node crash, we all had probs getting back on, by the time we did they had already bowled their way to profit.

The bomber was a regular, that came through looking for easy kills. After this shenanigans I sent screenshots, and a report. I have him in contacts, he hasnt been on since. Do the math.

I have read a lot of your posts and have some respect. Don't apologize for the people that do this crap. Cheating != clever gameplay. One is good for eve, the other is not.
Maekchu
Doomheim
#83 - 2013-12-19 03:44:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Maekchu
Mel0veyou Longtime wrote:

TL:DR
Too many quotes and WAY too much smarmy, smug self righteousness. Clearly I didn't understand your balls reference. I thought you were making a pass at me. GJ on assuming I am a man, btw. Sexist much?


At least you admit that your level of comprehending written English is close to null. And too many quotes? It's a text of maybe 2000 characters or something. So not only can't you express yourself through written English, you can't even read for ****? Why did you want the servers to be "English only" again? Clearly this is not your language.

I'm assuming your a man? If I remember correctly, you assumed I had balls to put in your face to start with, and even before that you called me "bro". That is before, any tinniest indication of me being a male. Using your logic, this just means your a sexist too? Try not to use arguments, you haven't thought through and could backfire. Just a little advice for the future.
Mel0veyou Longtime
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#84 - 2013-12-19 03:58:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Mel0veyou Longtime
Maekchu wrote:
Mel0veyou Longtime wrote:

TL:DR
Too many quotes and WAY too much smarmy, smug self righteousness. Clearly I didn't understand your balls reference. I thought you were making a pass at me. GJ on assuming I am a man, btw. Sexist much?


At least you admit that your level of comprehending written English is close to null. And too many quotes? It's a text of maybe 2000 characters or something. So not only can't you express yourself through written English, you can't even read for ****? Why did you want the servers to be "English only" again? Clearly this is not your language.

I'm assuming your a man? If I remember correctly, you assumed I had balls to put in your face to start with, and even before that you called me "bro". That is before, any tinniest indication of me being a male. Using your logic, this just means your a sexist too? Try not to use arguments, you haven't thought through and could backfire. Just a little advice for the future.


I didn't know you were a man until you referred to yourself as being so handsome. As well as the male avatar. You could have been lying about being male and handsome I suppose. I know I that I don't need to explain that umad bro is standard internet vernacular to point out how angry you clearly are, male or female. Oh, and calling me a bit*h (which I dont mind because I dont suffer from pink panty indignant syndrome) So, yeah nothing sexist on my end, unlike SOME people (looking at you) I see you are upset that there are people with opinions that vary from your own, reinforced by the fact that here you are, still posting.

Oh, and all that bleeped profanity? Serious social refinement there. lul
Maekchu
Doomheim
#85 - 2013-12-19 04:10:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Maekchu
Mel0veyou Longtime wrote:
Maekchu wrote:
Mel0veyou Longtime wrote:

TL:DR
Too many quotes and WAY too much smarmy, smug self righteousness. Clearly I didn't understand your balls reference. I thought you were making a pass at me. GJ on assuming I am a man, btw. Sexist much?


At least you admit that your level of comprehending written English is close to null. And too many quotes? It's a text of maybe 2000 characters or something. So not only can't you express yourself through written English, you can't even read for ****? Why did you want the servers to be "English only" again? Clearly this is not your language.

I'm assuming your a man? If I remember correctly, you assumed I had balls to put in your face to start with, and even before that you called me "bro". That is before, any tinniest indication of me being a male. Using your logic, this just means your a sexist too? Try not to use arguments, you haven't thought through and could backfire. Just a little advice for the future.


I didn't know you were a man until you referred to yourself as being so handsome. As well as the male avatar. You could have been lying about being male and handsome I suppose. I know I that I don't need to explain that umad bro is standard internet vernacular to point out how angry you clearly are, male or female. So, yeah nothing sexist on my end, unlike SOME people (looking at you) I see you are upset that there are people with opinions that vary from your own, reinforced by the fact that here you are, still posting.


Well, without the "U MAD" part, the "bro" just becomes a reference to your gender. Did I miss, a "U MAD"? Narh, probably not.

But let's just say, this very weak argument, that you are desperately trying to use to win this one point in the discussion of me being sexist, is deemed valid. Then if you actually backtrack our discussion, then you'll notice you calling me "Mr.angry", in the post before I responded with me being handsome in the mirror. So still you where the one that assumed first, that I was male.

So let's just conclude that your whole argumentation is weak and now you are just desperately trying to find any kind of retribution. You probably should just crawl back to where you came from, and just stay away from voicing any kind of opinion for some time. Clearly you have not developed enough to voice your opinion nor argue your point, and you should probably feel bad for being such a failure at life.

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I see you are upset that there are people with opinions that vary from your own

Read the post you deemed "too long" and maybe... Just maybe, you'll understand.
Lady Areola Fappington
#86 - 2013-12-19 04:13:18 UTC
I welcome our Russian bros. Pretty cool dudes, for the most part.

Ever had Shchi? Godmode soup man. I can eat that for months and never get sick of it.

As for OP, displacement of blame for personal failings to a neutral third party is generally considered an immature coping mechanism. You should outgrow it by mid twenties, assuming otherwise socially and mentally well-adjusted.

7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided. --Eve New Player Guide

Mel0veyou Longtime
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#87 - 2013-12-19 04:20:17 UTC
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So let's just conclude that your whole argumentation is weak and now you are just desperately trying to find any kind of retribution. You probably should just crawl back to where you came from, and just stay away from voicing any kind of opinion for some time. Clearly you have not developed enough to voice your opinion nor argue your point, and you should probably feel bad for being such a failure at life.


There you go again. hypocrisy at its finest. I wish I knew what it was like to be so angry. Personal attack after personal attack. Lol. Always the weak minded resort to name calling, and regarding people as a "failure at life". GJ bro. You won the internet. That quoted statement alone makes you every bit as bad as I supposedly am. I never personally attacked the russians, I just stated I have been treated like crap by them, they have hacked and cheated to bilk me out of isk, so id like to play on a server free of them. And here you are, Mr socially refined resorting to profanity, and personal attacks to try to belittle me, and make yourself appear smarter/hip w/e than you may or may not be. I hope you have a great successful life, and all the luck in the world. With that foul mouth, and pent up rage, you are going to need it.
PotatoOverdose
Handsome Millionaire Playboys
Sedition.
#88 - 2013-12-19 04:25:25 UTC  |  Edited by: PotatoOverdose
Mel0veyou Longtime wrote:


Myself and 2 others in system crashed out, so I assumed node crash, we all had probs getting back on, by the time we did they had already bowled their way to profit.

First of all, Pos bowling was fixed ages ago, and is no longer possible in the traditional sense. [source] [source]


Mel0veyou Longtime wrote:

The bomber was a regular, that came through looking for easy kills. After this shenanigans I sent screenshots, and a report. I have him in contacts, he hasnt been on since. Do the math.

Doesn't prove a thing. I've taken months and weeks off eve, as have (probably) most of the people that play this game.

Mel0veyou Longtime wrote:

I have read a lot of your posts and have some respect. Don't apologize for the people that do this crap. Cheating != clever gameplay. One is good for eve, the other is not.

I'm not apologizing for anyone, because there is nothing for which to apologize. Go here, look at that map. Goons? Douchebags. NC? Douchebags. PL? douchebags. Every single entity on that map are douchebags or controlled by douchebags.

Every single person that is halfway decent at pvp and enjoys killing others is a douchebag. We take what others have spent time, minerals, or effort to acquire, and we blow it up. We try to make others loose far more than what we put into the game. If I come across your ship, and have the opportunity to destroy it, I will. Without hesitation. And so would most of the people in null sec, low sec, or wormholes.

Now, are PvPers bad people in RL? Of course not. But this is a game, and for many people PvP is THE game. And PvP involves making YOU loose your stuff.

The reason everyone is dog piling you is because bigotry is bad, okay? Russians pvp and carebear as much as any other group. Today you got your space pixels blown up by Russians. Tomorrow it might be by americans, french, or brazilians. Doesn't make them bad people.
Mel0veyou Longtime
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#89 - 2013-12-19 04:26:26 UTC
Lady Areola Fappington wrote:
I welcome our Russian bros. Pretty cool dudes, for the most part.

Ever had Shchi? Godmode soup man. I can eat that for months and never get sick of it.

As for OP, displacement of blame for personal failings to a neutral third party is generally considered an immature coping mechanism. You should outgrow it by mid twenties, assuming otherwise socially and mentally well-adjusted.


Yes. Being a victim of someone hacking/botting is clearly displacement for blame to a neutral 3rd party. There were no third parties btw. I know this was meant to be smart and all that, but your statement is made with a ton of assumptions.
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#90 - 2013-12-19 04:31:37 UTC
Lady Areola Fappington wrote:
I welcome our Russian bros. Pretty cool dudes, for the most part.

Ever had Shchi? Godmode soup man. I can eat that for months and never get sick of it.

As for OP, displacement of blame for personal failings to a neutral third party is generally considered an immature coping mechanism. You should outgrow it by mid twenties, assuming otherwise socially and mentally well-adjusted.


Wait for the next thread when he's crying about the big black guy blowing up his ship. Or the group of homos camping him into a station.

Should be epic.

Mr Epeen Cool
PotatoOverdose
Handsome Millionaire Playboys
Sedition.
#91 - 2013-12-19 04:32:16 UTC  |  Edited by: PotatoOverdose
Mel0veyou Longtime wrote:

Yes. Being a victim of someone hacking/botting is clearly displacement for blame to a neutral 3rd party. There were no third parties btw. I know this was meant to be smart and all that, but your statement is made with a ton of assumptions.


Playing a videogame and loosing space money doesn't make you a victim. When you go bankrupt in monopoly, you aren't a victim.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#92 - 2013-12-19 04:33:08 UTC
Lady Areola Fappington wrote:
As for OP, displacement of blame for personal failings to a neutral third party is generally considered an immature coping mechanism. You should outgrow it by mid twenties, assuming otherwise socially and mentally well-adjusted.

... a neutral third party?

Neutral?

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?

Mel0veyou Longtime
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#93 - 2013-12-19 04:34:48 UTC
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First of all, Pos bowling was fixed ages ago, and is no longer possible in the traditional sense.


Been playing since '05. Still happened regardless of timeframe. Was just a random example.

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Doesn't prove a thing. I've taken months and weeks off eve, as have (probably) most of the people that play this game.


This was quite a while ago. He was in and out every day for months. The day after the report, he stopped coming, and a ton of other botters that were in our space, disappeared as well. Math still applies. I suppose he COULD be afk for that long but....considering how many of the other russain botters in our area that no longer logged...well, I hate assuming, but ima assume hes been banned.

I really don't know why I bother lol. EvE glorifies the cheater. From your posts, it appears you don't care either. Is cool. You opinion is exactly that.

The reason everyone is dog piling you is because bigotry is bad, okay? Russians pvp and carebear as much as any other group. Today you got your space pixels blown up by Russians. Tomorrow it might be by americans, french, or brazilians. Doesn't make them bad people.[/quote]

Bigotry infers hate. I have yet to say I hate russians. I don't. Never claimed I did. I was merely stating I think EvE would be better off if they had their own server. Dogpile all you want. Until the Govt' can inject opinion via mind control, I will continue to feel how I feel. Just sayin'
Maekchu
Doomheim
#94 - 2013-12-19 04:38:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Maekchu
Mel0veyou Longtime wrote:
Quote:
So let's just conclude that your whole argumentation is weak and now you are just desperately trying to find any kind of retribution. You probably should just crawl back to where you came from, and just stay away from voicing any kind of opinion for some time. Clearly you have not developed enough to voice your opinion nor argue your point, and you should probably feel bad for being such a failure at life.


There you go again. hypocrisy at its finest. I wish I knew what it was like to be so angry. Personal attack after personal attack. Lol. Always the weak minded resort to name calling, and regarding people as a "failure at life". GJ bro. You won the internet. That quoted statement alone makes you every bit as bad as I supposedly am. I never personally attacked the russians, I just stated I have been treated like crap by them, they have hacked and cheated to bilk me out of isk, so id like to play on a server free of them. And here you are, Mr socially refined resorting to profanity, and personal attacks to try to belittle me, and make yourself appear smarter/hip w/e than you may or may not be. I hope you have a great successful life, and all the luck in the world. With that foul mouth, and pent up rage, you are going to need it.


I'd love to know how your mind works. You try to sound sophisticated, yet fail to argue or even understand simple concepts. When all that fail, just pull the "profanity" card. Newsflash, profanity does not say anything about another human being, in terms of intelligence. It's a word, and like any other word, it is a tool used to express and deliver a message to a recipient. Obviously, there are different forums/contexts where there are different social rules. But "General Discussion" on the EVE Online forum, is not one of those places, where using profanity would be seen as a highly negative trait.

If you can't cope with response to your radical view on other people, then maybe you shouldn't vent it so casually. But obviously, you didn't personally attack the Russians. You just called the whole Russian population cheats, that use exploits to take advantage from other "honest" people, and they should all be confined to a single server. So "you" won't need to interact with them.

It's like if I would say "All those immigrants that come to my country... I have nothing against them, but just confine them somewhere so I will never need to interact with them. Clearly they are not speaking English, therefore they cannot be part of "my" community." Come to think of it, something like that did actually happen during WWII. That went well, and I'm sure no feelings were hurt.

Yeah, it's true. I see no form of racism or personal attack on anyone here. Move along people, it's all good. I mean, he/she loves you. He/she just doesn't want to ever interact with you or see you around!
Mel0veyou Longtime
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#95 - 2013-12-19 04:39:49 UTC
Mr Epeen wrote:
Lady Areola Fappington wrote:
I welcome our Russian bros. Pretty cool dudes, for the most part.

Ever had Shchi? Godmode soup man. I can eat that for months and never get sick of it.

As for OP, displacement of blame for personal failings to a neutral third party is generally considered an immature coping mechanism. You should outgrow it by mid twenties, assuming otherwise socially and mentally well-adjusted.


Wait for the next thread when he's crying about the big black guy blowing up his ship. Or the group of homos camping him into a station.

Should be epic.

Mr Epeen Cool


WOAH! That was incredibly racist and bigoted! How can I possibly know if they are black or gay? Why would I care? Only reason I know they are russians is from their bio, their names, thier intel chat ( <3 google translate) etc etc. I thought you were kinda cool, but now I get he feeling you are just another douchebag. And thats coming from me!
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#96 - 2013-12-19 04:40:27 UTC
It's racist unless it's about Russians, then it's okay.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)

PotatoOverdose
Handsome Millionaire Playboys
Sedition.
#97 - 2013-12-19 04:43:25 UTC  |  Edited by: PotatoOverdose
Mel0veyou Longtime wrote:

Bigotry infers hate. I have yet to say I hate russians. I don't. Never claimed I did. I was merely stating I think EvE would be better off if they had their own server. Dogpile all you want. Until the Govt' can inject opinion via mind control, I will continue to feel how I feel. Just sayin'

So, would you be cool with people asking to get rid of the 'muricans, and shoving them on their own server? Actually you might be cool with that, but I would wager most of us US players wouldn't be cool with that.

You are of course entitled to what ever opinion you want. That doesn't stop it from being a bigoted opinion. And trying to kick out many thousands of individuals from a particular event or activity for sharing an ethnicity is the definition of bigotry.

I'm sorry you can't see that.
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#98 - 2013-12-19 04:52:30 UTC
If you say "EVE would be better off if X type of player had their own server" you really shouldn't be playing, because that's just ********.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)

Mel0veyou Longtime
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#99 - 2013-12-19 04:53:26 UTC
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I'd love to know how your mind works. You try to sound sophisticated, yet fail to argue or even understand simple concepts. When all that fail, just pull the "profanity" card. Newsflash, profanity does not say anything about another human being, in terms of intelligence. It's a word, and like any other word, it is a tool used to express and deliver a message to a recipient. Obviously, there are different forums/contexts where there are different social rules. But "General Discussion" on the EVE Online forum, is not one of those places, where using profanity would be seen as a highly negative trait.


So you have different rules for yourself depending on the setting or context? I call that hypocrisy and being fake. I am who I am and I do not change depending on "context/forums". I suppose you could use that as "social refinement" as opposed to "two faced" or "fake".

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If you can't cope with response to your radical view on other people, then maybe you shouldn't vent it so casually. But obviously, you didn't personally attack the Russians. You just called the whole Russian population cheats, that use exploits to take advantage from other "honest" people, and they should all be confined to a single server. So "you" won't need to interact with them.


I said I have been victimized by more than a random handful of russian cheaters. I don't get how that infers that I said the enitre russian population cheats, as I never one time said that. You are grasping at very thin straws here. If they had their own server as an option, id bet they would migrate on their own. Would be an interesting social expiriment for eve.

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It's like if I would say "All those immigrants that come to my country... I have nothing against them, but just confine them somewhere so I will never need to interact with them. Clearly they are not speaking English, therefore they cannot be part of "my" community."


Apples and Oranges dude. Its in a game. Im talking about people in game. They hide behind avatars to do whatever. These people would not for the most part do this crap IRL. I know that "eve is real" for you but good god man. You are talking about RL comparisons here that have 0 basis in the way I feel about people in EvE. You must be getting tired or something so ill chalk up that little slice of ignorance to that.
Mel0veyou Longtime
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#100 - 2013-12-19 04:59:32 UTC
PotatoOverdose wrote:
Mel0veyou Longtime wrote:

Bigotry infers hate. I have yet to say I hate russians. I don't. Never claimed I did. I was merely stating I think EvE would be better off if they had their own server. Dogpile all you want. Until the Govt' can inject opinion via mind control, I will continue to feel how I feel. Just sayin'

So, would you be cool with people asking to get rid of the 'muricans, and shoving them on their own server? Actually you might be cool with that, but I would wager most of us US players wouldn't be cool with that.

You are of course entitled to what ever opinion you want. That doesn't stop it from being a bigoted opinion. And trying to kick out many thousands of individuals from a particular event or activity for sharing an ethnicity is the definition of bigotry.

I'm sorry you can't see that.


I can amend that then. How about creating clusters then? Give russians the option to play on thier own server. Give NA the option to play on their own as well, sure. You people react like scalded cats at this idea. You do realize pretty much every game that exists, as an MMO, has cluster/shards that cater to specific language grps? I play EU server in LoL, because I like the diversity there. Practically EVERY. SINGLE. GAME, has regional servers. Clearly they are all RACIIIIIST. KILL THEM WITH FIRE!

So much rage, for such a small thing.