Player Features and Ideas Discussion

If you have reasons to suspect they used a macro to change that value, then you have good grounds to not just get your PLEX returned, but to get the other player permanently banned on ALL of their accounts.

Do what I do - pay the darned market fees, so I have some comeback to CCP if something goes wrong.

Nobody needs to do a "quick PLEX sale" when there is a market mechanism - if that PLEX was stolen through hacking, or created through credit card fraud/real money transfers - you will be on your own.

that's one of the two reasons i opened this thread for.
but i do not want to repeat me again and again and again.

there are all informations included in this thread.
And this is not called "whining" about that lost plex, that was a game mechanic which is broken and because of THIS i lost my plex.

Some of you must got so much money, why you do not gift it to other people, easily? might be no problem.
it does no matter if someone lost 20€ or 500€. without that broken mechanic that that money / plex were not lost anyway.

what is the pain barrier of you people to say "it's enough. it's no game anymore, that's real crime"?

Think about it

The problem here is not that he lost his PLEX, but that a game mechanic is broken. Broken game mechanics cause loss, and he is fully justified in discussing his PLEX loss as a result of a broken game mechanic - just as you would discuss any loss on this forum related to a broken game mechanic.

People have lost more plex than you and I don't recall them whining about it. Open a petition. Stay on target, if you get the trade mechanic changed awesome work for a noobie. But going on and on about the PLEX is counter productive because it muddies up your argument for the broken mechanic.

You lost no RL money, technically speaking. As such it is highly unlikely you'll be reimbursed.

And there is no real crime here.

Hint: You are going from a guy with a solid argument on a broken mechanic to being annoying....and that has been known to cause blowback on people in game.

Rekk what turns people off supporting you, is your insistence on trying to connect real life financial loss to this. Sure you may have paid RL monies for that plex, but the deal was done and finished with RL when you bought that in game item. So what people are asking is please stop trying to claim you lost RL cash, when you actually lost an in game item.

Concentration on the mechanic and it's faults, will yield far better results when asking for change.

side note: just had a replay to my petition and asked the GM if he could be kind enough to ask a dev to take a peak at our issue :P

You're right.
And a dev's post to that broken trading window thing were be nice.

I agree with your fundamental point, and concur that the trade window is broken. That said, once it's an in-game item, it's not your money anymore. You can't get that money back regardless. What if that trade had gone off without a hitch, and you bought and pimped out a Rattlesnake for ratting in. You decide to head over to your high-sec missioning system. However, upon undocking, you promptly get blown out of the sky by a suicide gank gang who wanted the modules on your ship (and felt the loss of their ships was worth it).

Is that any less of a loss of your real-world money?

I ask this because it's a very important lesson. As soon as you purchase that PLEX, you've lost your real-world money. It's gone, never to return. That must be the line, because if it's not, you start trapping yourself into raging farther and farther down the line. What if you used that 600m isk to make 10b through station trading? Is all of that considered your real-world money still? What if you set up a POS with that money, and someone comes along two years later and finally pops it? Have you finally lost your cash?

No, you lose it when you buy the PLEX. Everything thereafter is dealing with in-game assets, though admittedly rather valuable ones. Treat those PLEX just like you would a particularly valuable officer or deadspace module, or a particularly expensive ship, or the isk itself. That's all it is, at that point.

This type of scam is the only type I think should be prevented. It snto scamming, its pretidigitation, its impossible that new players will expect it.




The trade window needs to be changed completely to avoid that type of stuff. At least make that after ANYTHIGN in the trade is changed, no part can click accept for 15 seconds.

I think what the ISD was saying was the trade window is meant to be a quick way to trade. As such we should be suggesting a solution that does not slow down the trade process overall. A warning or confirmation message for both sides each time will add time to the trading process for those using it for many quick trades.

What I suggest is a 5 second timer each time the ISK amount is changed before the contract can be physically accepted by the other party. Since you cannot remove items already this would solve the issue of using lag/timing to scam with the trade window, while preserving the speed in which it can be used for quick trades between alts and trusted characters.