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High Sec Miner Bumping, policy change

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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#21 - 2013-12-18 21:46:57 UTC
Praxis Ginimic wrote:
Your logic is weak for obvious reasons and your position is tired.

With that said, please show is on this anatomically correct rifter doll where James315 touched you so that we can take appropriate action. (Point & laugh)

A rifterrrrr

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Praxis Ginimic
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#22 - 2013-12-18 21:52:38 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Praxis Ginimic wrote:
Your logic is weak for obvious reasons and your position is tired.

With that said, please show is on this anatomically correct rifter doll where James315 touched you so that we can take appropriate action. (Point & laugh)

A rifterrrrr


I see what you did there
Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#23 - 2013-12-18 22:09:54 UTC
Vicky Somers wrote:
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Vicky Somers wrote:
Whatever happened to Hulkageddon? This watered down version just reeks of tryhards.


Its organiser won EVE.

I've been out of the loop for a while. What happened to Helicity? I remember him being banned and then unbanned and some rather silly drama. Did he graduate baller skool and get a job at CCP or something?


He won EVE.

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Haedonism Bot
People for the Ethical Treatment of Rogue Drones
#24 - 2013-12-18 22:20:51 UTC
You have decided to make a stand, have you? I like to bump miners. Come and stop me.Big smile

Or by "make a stand," did you just mean that you had decided to cry on the forums?

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SCjake333
Out of Bounds
Black Rose.
#25 - 2013-12-18 22:24:35 UTC  |  Edited by: SCjake333
I love these discussions, someone add fuel to the fire please. I'll keep my notifications on.
Eryn Velasquez
#26 - 2013-12-18 22:29:21 UTC
Scipio Artelius wrote:
Olivia shy wrote:
Topic:
...it should have extreme penalties for doing so if caught in the act of this.


100% chance of being visited by Concord is a pretty extreme penalty.


This is neither a penalty, nor it's a risc - just a simple calculation.

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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#27 - 2013-12-18 22:30:36 UTC
Haedonism Bot wrote:
You have decided to make a stand, have you? I like to bump miners. Come and stop me.Big smile

Or by "make a stand," did you just mean that you had decided to cry on the forums?

Crying on the forums can be pretty effective.

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Milan Nantucket
Doomheim
#28 - 2013-12-18 22:31:58 UTC
Olivia shy wrote:
Topic:
Miner bumping in high sec.

After careful thought on this matter I have decided to take a stand agents the ones who decide to do this in high sec and justify why this is not a good Idea and that it should have extreme penalties for doing so if caught in the act of this.
1. High sec mining is a non combative or a non- aggressive roll in the game thus leaving the miner vulnerable to aggressive behavior by others looking to make isk from the weaker disadvantaged mining barge .
...............


Its very combative so your wrong what did the asteroids ever do to the poor miner. Its combative on the market's as well... the trillions of isk of minerals just don't magically appear. Traders and miner's always 1 isking each other... etc...

Since you were wrong on the first i didn't bother reading the rest.
Scipio Artelius
Weaponised Vegemite
Flying Dangerous
#29 - 2013-12-18 22:48:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Scipio Artelius
Eryn Velasquez wrote:
This is neither a penalty, nor it's a risc - just a simple calculation.


Please enlighten me. A simple calculation of what, since no risk is involved apparently.

If it's a calculation of what you stand to lose versus what will be gained (tears, loot, a post on minerbumping, etc.) then that's a risk v reward calculation and in terms of ISK values is a simple calculation, but definitely involving risk.

Otherwise, if you are suggesting no risk involved, then what penalty does your carebearing ways want to see.

The penalty is already there. 100% chance of loss of ship and, since you are also criminal at the time, anyone else could also pod you too (also another risk).
Bel Tika
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#30 - 2013-12-18 22:50:54 UTC
BUMP

topic needs more attention

sorry couldnt resist
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#31 - 2013-12-18 23:02:05 UTC
I would suggest you strengthen your case by posting statistics of how many ships have been lost due to this horrific behavior.

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Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#32 - 2013-12-18 23:14:55 UTC
Ranger 1 wrote:
I would suggest you strengthen your case by posting statistics of how many subs have been lost due to this horrific behavior.


Does that sound better, but I could be saying submarines?

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

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Xavier Higdon
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#33 - 2013-12-18 23:23:06 UTC
Wait, the New Order bumps miners? I thought they only collected pics of dudes wearing mayo.
Praxis Ginimic
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#34 - 2013-12-18 23:35:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Praxis Ginimic
If you really want to take a stand then start ganking miner bumpers.

It takes about a month to train a competent ganknado pilot from scratch. Convince a group of miners to train alts for this then put the bumpers on your watch list and run locates on them. Send out a scout for a good warp in point then destroy the bumpers.

These guys use expensive ships for maximum effect and because they aren't in danger of Concordokken. You might even be able to make some isk by charging for your protection. The really ironic thing is that all the information that you need in order to be good at this can be found on minerbumping.com

Now go have fun instead of paying ridiculous whine threads that will never get you anywhere.

Edited for reasons you will never truly understand
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#35 - 2013-12-18 23:35:58 UTC
Praxis Ginimic wrote:
If you really want to take a stand then start ganking miner bumpers.

It takes about a month to train a competent ganknado pilot from scratch. Convince a group of miners to train alts for this then put the bumpers pin your watch list and run locates on them. Send out a scout for a good warp in point then destroy the bumpers.

These guys use expensive ships for maximum effect and because they aren't in danger of Concordokken. You might even be able to make some isk by charging for your protection. The really ironic thing is that all the information that you need in order to be good at this can be found on minerbumping.com

Nite go have fun instead of paying ridiculous whine threads that will never get you anywhere.

So you say, but soon CCP will give them the mining barge anchoring module they asked for... soon (tm)

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BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#36 - 2013-12-18 23:51:38 UTC  |  Edited by: BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie
Olivia shy wrote:
1. High sec mining is a non combative or a non- aggressive roll in the game thus leaving the miner vulnerable to aggressive behavior by others looking to make isk from the weaker disadvantaged mining barge .

Um, yes.
Olivia shy wrote:
2. Low sec and Null Sec is a place for more experienced players to play in a more aggressive environment. Thus bumping should be allowed in such areas because the stakes and pay are higher for the better ores .

Why are low and null for "more experienced players". I haven't seen evidence of this anywhere. Some of my friends jumped into low sec within their first week of play.
Olivia shy wrote:
3. Any one that is new to the game and decides that mining is what they want to do as a career path in the game could become overwhelmed and frustrated due to High Sec Bumping, this could lead to them not wanting to continue down this path. If this is the case, one of two things can happen from that point.
a: The new miner would shift from that path and decide to train a new path and not go back to mining because they think mining is dumb and not return to the profession thus creating a shortage of miners to produce the minerals needed to keep the market moving in a positive direction.
b: Second if the new miner experiences this kind of action after coming out of the tutorial gate he/she may become frustrated with the game and decide that this game is not for them and decide not to play anymore, with that said. The financial impact on CCP for the loss of potential subscribers could be a described as form of Extortion.

What about my ability to choose my own career path? Bumping and ganking will never be lucrative, but it can pay for itself and its a choice I have made to be involved in it. Should I complain and quit when I fail a gank and lose my ship for nothing? Obviously not. I should learn from it and improve in the future. I expect the same from any miner also. Mining is not for everyone, but eve is a game with harsh punishments for failure. Pick up and move on (and maybe buy a permit if your really cool. *hint hint wink wink*) The NO very rarely ganks ventures because its not cost effective, so the majority of people we gank have been playing for at least a few weeks.

Olivia shy wrote:
With this being said all this can be avoided by simple change of rules preventing any person, corporation or Alliance in the game that decide to put forth any code that has been created by anyone other than CCP should not be permitted in the High sec systems for a positive future of progression and development of the game with such a rule would uphold the Values, Principles, and Integrity of CCP.

How would banning player driven content changes at all benefit eve? Eve has made its name by actively encouraging non-consentual pvp, extortion, scamming, corp theft, awoxing, and other activities (not that the new order is involved in any of these except for pvp). You also completely fail to define what a code is in this run-on sentence, and fail to acknowledge that the new order is the most positive force in high sec ever. (Admittedly Eve Uni is a close second) If players don't define how eve is played, then who does?

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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#37 - 2013-12-18 23:54:50 UTC
BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie wrote:
Olivia shy wrote:
1. High sec mining is a non combative or a non- aggressive roll in the game thus leaving the miner vulnerable to aggressive behavior by others looking to make isk from the weaker disadvantaged mining barge .

Um, yes.

Yep.

BeBopAReBop RhubarbPie wrote:
Olivia shy wrote:
2. Low sec and Null Sec is a place for more experienced players to play in a more aggressive environment. Thus bumping should be allowed in such areas because the stakes and pay are higher for the better ores .

Why are low and null for "more experienced players". I haven't seen evidence of this anywhere. Some of my friends jumped into low sec within their first week of play.

You gotta have 30 million SP MINIMUM to join the forces of Vince Draken

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Eryn Velasquez
#38 - 2013-12-26 14:56:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Eryn Velasquez
Scipio Artelius wrote:
Eryn Velasquez wrote:
This is neither a penalty, nor it's a risc - just a simple calculation.


Please enlighten me. A simple calculation of what, since no risk is involved apparently.

If it's a calculation of what you stand to lose versus what will be gained (tears, loot, a post on minerbumping, etc.) then that's a risk v reward calculation and in terms of ISK values is a simple calculation, but definitely involving risk.

Otherwise, if you are suggesting no risk involved, then what penalty does your carebearing ways want to see.

The penalty is already there. 100% chance of loss of ship and, since you are also criminal at the time, anyone else could also pod you too (also another risk).


My given answer to this sentence was perfect:

Quote:
100% chance of being visited by Concord is a pretty extreme penalty.


If you have no chance to avoid your shiploss, there is no risc. And a penalty it would be, if you, in general, lose more than you gain.
The minimal risc to get podded or to lose the loot is so small, that many people are ganking. If there were real riscs the majority of gankers would quit this "profession".

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#39 - 2013-12-26 15:11:10 UTC
Eryn Velasquez wrote:
If you have no chance to avoid your shiploss, there is no risc. And a penalty it would be, if you, in general, lose more than you gain.
If you have no chance to avoid a loss, the risk is total. Unless you're suggesting that they should “introduce” some risk by making CONCORD only appear 10% of the time rather than 100%.

And it's a penalty regardless of the net result. A loss is a loss is a loss.

Quote:
The minimal risc to get podded or to lose the loot is so small, that many people are ganking.
Really? How many? It seems an exceedingly rare occurrence and even rarer profession these days due to the inordinate penalties, risks, and costs involved.
Hevymetal
POT Corp
#40 - 2013-12-26 15:11:52 UTC
I can't wait till CCP recodes collision mechanics and people's Rifters start going SPLAT on the side of Mackinaws and Freighters.