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High Sec Miner Bumping, policy change

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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#1 - 2013-12-18 20:41:28 UTC
Interesting.

This is one of those threads where the OP doesn't appear until after some replies?

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TheMercenaryKing
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#2 - 2013-12-18 20:42:09 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Interesting.


Um, what policy change?
SurrenderMonkey
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#3 - 2013-12-18 20:43:26 UTC
Apparently this is one of those threads where the OP doesn't appear at all, which is almost certainly for the best.

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#4 - 2013-12-18 20:46:55 UTC
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Topic: Miner bumping in high sec. After careful thought on this matter I have decided to take a stand agents the ones who decide to do this in high sec and justify why this is not a good idea and that it should have extreme penalties for doing so if...

That's all i get when hovering the topic. He wrote "agents" btw. Sounds like a troll...
Olivia shy
Iron Skys Industries
#5 - 2013-12-18 20:49:10 UTC
Topic:
Miner bumping in high sec.

After careful thought on this matter I have decided to take a stand agents the ones who decide to do this in high sec and justify why this is not a good Idea and that it should have extreme penalties for doing so if caught in the act of this.
1. High sec mining is a non combative or a non- aggressive roll in the game thus leaving the miner vulnerable to aggressive behavior by others looking to make isk from the weaker disadvantaged mining barge .
2. Low sec and Null Sec is a place for more experienced players to play in a more aggressive environment. Thus bumping should be allowed in such areas because the stakes and pay are higher for the better ores .
3. Any one that is new to the game and decides that mining is what they want to do as a career path in the game could become overwhelmed and frustrated due to High Sec Bumping, this could lead to them not wanting to continue down this path. If this is the case, one of two things can happen from that point.
a: The new miner would shift from that path and decide to train a new path and not go back to mining because they think mining is dumb and not return to the profession thus creating a shortage of miners to produce the minerals needed to keep the market moving in a positive direction.
b: Second if the new miner experiences this kind of action after coming out of the tutorial gate he/she may become frustrated with the game and decide that this game is not for them and decide not to play anymore, with that said. The financial impact on CCP for the loss of potential subscribers could be a described as form of Extortion.

With this being said all this can be avoided by simple change of rules preventing any person, corporation or Alliance in the game that decide to put forth any code that has been created by anyone other than CCP should not be permitted in the High sec systems for a positive future of progression and development of the game with such a rule would uphold the Values, Principles, and Integrity of CCP.

If you agree to this post, please post up under this thread showing you would like CCP to make a change to the rules and enforce the such change if one to be made. This thread is for the CCP DEV team to have an eyes on view of a problem that prosiest in game . So please make a positive feedback to validate a show of hands from the Subscribers to the DEV CCP Team.

Thank you all for your time over this issue and remember to fly safe and Happy Holidays to all!

Sincerely:
Olivia Shy
Zifrian
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#6 - 2013-12-18 20:55:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Zifrian
OK

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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#7 - 2013-12-18 20:57:07 UTC
Haha, wait what?

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?

kes88
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2013-12-18 21:00:52 UTC
Please shut up. Just shut up about miner bumping altogether. Everyone. Please.

Vicky Somers
Rusty Anchor
#9 - 2013-12-18 21:07:43 UTC
Whatever happened to Hulkageddon? This watered down version just reeks of tryhards.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#10 - 2013-12-18 21:14:52 UTC
Paranoid Loyd
#11 - 2013-12-18 21:17:06 UTC
OP, lets talk about your recent 300 mil isk Tayra loss instead, that would be much more interesting then "another miner bumping thread"

This thread is now about properly tanking your hauler....

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#12 - 2013-12-18 21:17:34 UTC
Olivia shy wrote:
Topic:
With this being said all this can be avoided by simple change of rules preventing any person, corporation or Alliance in the game that decide to put forth any code that has been created by anyone other than CCP should not be permitted in the High sec systems for a positive future of progression and development of the game with such a rule would uphold the Values, Principles, and Integrity of CCP.


Great, lets leave on place one terrible mechnic [-high speed ship collisions without damage or consequence-] and on on top of it add something even worse [-CCP employees policing player created content-]

fail 0/10

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Tippia
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#13 - 2013-12-18 21:21:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Olivia shy wrote:
1. High sec mining is a non combative or a non- aggressive roll in the game thus leaving the miner vulnerable to aggressive behavior by others looking to make isk from the weaker disadvantaged mining barge .
So?

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2. Low sec and Null Sec is a place for more experienced players to play in a more aggressive environment.
Not really no. Or at least not in any way that distinguishes them from highsec.

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3. Any one that is new to the game and decides that mining is what they want to do as a career path in the game could become overwhelmed and frustrated due to High Sec Bumping, this could lead to them not wanting to continue down this path. If this is the case, one of two things can happen from that point.
This goes for all activities since they will all be subject to opposition from other players. If a new player can't handle opposition in a game defined by and built upon opposition from other players, then it is probably not a game for him. If it is for him, he will learn and prosper.

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With this being said all this can be avoided by simple change of rules preventing any person, corporation or Alliance in the game that decide to put forth any code that has been created by anyone other than CCP should not be permitted in the High sec systems for a positive future of progression and development of the game with such a rule would uphold the Values, Principles, and Integrity of CCP.
You mean the values, principles and integrity of their core statement for EVE: “it's not meant to look like a cold, harsh place — it's meant to be a cold, harsh place”?

And no, preventing or prohibiting bumping in highsec is a spectacularly bad idea since it would rather break large parts of the game and provide new players with a bad environment in which to learn. Preventing players from setting up their own social rules and contracts is an even worse idea since it completely eviscerates the fundamental idea of a sandbox.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#14 - 2013-12-18 21:22:10 UTC
Paranoid Loyd wrote:
OP, lets talk about your recent 300 mil isk Tayra loss instead, that would be much more interesting then "another miner bumping thread"

This thread is now about properly tanking your hauler....
Otherwise known as how not to carry too much isk value in a T1 hauler, or using a professional to haul it for you.

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Alyth Nerun
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#15 - 2013-12-18 21:30:54 UTC
Olivia shy wrote:
Stuff

People like you and your corrupted idea of how the game should work (absolute safety/isolation for your play style only) are in fact the reason why the New Order exists.

So CCP should change the game that you can continue to NOT play the game and AFK mine undisturbed? While others that actually PLAY the game and just explode some pixel spaceships in a game about exploding pixel spaceships should be banished? Are you serious? ...
Anslo
Scope Works
#16 - 2013-12-18 21:31:21 UTC
Forget bumping, how the hell did OP do that delayed posting trick??

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Mallak Azaria
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#17 - 2013-12-18 21:35:14 UTC
Vicky Somers wrote:
Whatever happened to Hulkageddon? This watered down version just reeks of tryhards.


Its organiser won EVE.

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Scipio Artelius
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Flying Dangerous
#18 - 2013-12-18 21:39:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Scipio Artelius
Olivia shy wrote:
Topic:
...it should have extreme penalties for doing so if caught in the act of this.


100% chance of being visited by Concord is a pretty extreme penalty.

The rest of your post - get over it. If you want tougher penalties, inflict them yourself. You have available to you the same set of tools that the New Order have available. The only thing missing is the commitment to use them.

So no need for CCP to change anything or for anyone to pass responsibility for their problems to CCP. Take responsibility and fix it yourself.

As to this:

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with such a rule would uphold the Values, Principles, and Integrity of CCP


What values, principles and integrity of CCP are you referring to? CCP's position on bumping is quite clear (see sticky thread in C&P).

I think what you are referring to is really your view of values, principles and integrity and assuming that CCP should have the same view. It's quite clear that in terms of in-game activities, their view differs significantly from yours.
Vicky Somers
Rusty Anchor
#19 - 2013-12-18 21:41:07 UTC
Mallak Azaria wrote:
Vicky Somers wrote:
Whatever happened to Hulkageddon? This watered down version just reeks of tryhards.


Its organiser won EVE.

I've been out of the loop for a while. What happened to Helicity? I remember him being banned and then unbanned and some rather silly drama. Did he graduate baller skool and get a job at CCP or something?
Praxis Ginimic
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#20 - 2013-12-18 21:45:31 UTC
Your logic is weak for obvious reasons and your position is tired.

With that said, please show is on this anatomically correct rifter doll where James315 touched you so that we can take appropriate action. (Point & laugh)
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