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New dev blog: Corp locations > bookmarks in cans

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TheButcherPete
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#81 - 2011-11-22 18:50:16 UTC
Chribba wrote:
Big smile


Yeah... you and your corporation of one.

♥ you master swede

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Alx Warlord
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#82 - 2011-11-22 18:51:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Alx Warlord
Sweet! I'm now removing that old can that contain ower WH bookmarks....

Nice addition CCP you are doing a great job, if you keep like this for the next expansion also EVE will be incredible!!!

Please read these!

New POS system New SOV system
RiotRick
Alpha Republic - Transcenders of Space and Time
Solyaris Chtonium
#83 - 2011-11-22 19:01:26 UTC
Can I have your baby?
Infinion
Awesome Corp
#84 - 2011-11-22 19:04:47 UTC
Chaos Incarnate wrote:
of all the things that could happen, this is the best possible thing

<3


*brohoof*
CBBOMBERMAN
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#85 - 2011-11-22 19:07:08 UTC
TheButcherPete wrote:
Chribba wrote:
Big smile


Yeah... you and your corporation of one.



he is probably bookmarking every asteroid in every belt right now XD
Letrange
Chaosstorm Corporation
#86 - 2011-11-22 19:08:15 UTC
Well CCP Tuxford, everyone living in wormhole space just became your best pall and buddy. I take it you're still not allowed anywhere near the big red "stop the server's button" though?
Yophant
Pan-Intergalatic Business Community
#87 - 2011-11-22 19:19:47 UTC
Weaselior wrote:
So my corporation of 4000 people can have anyone add a bookmark, but is limited to 250 bookmarks.

i would really appreciate the ability to restrict bookmark creation by role, this just is going to add a level of pain in the ass without any corresponding benefit


Supporting this.
Floydd Heywood
Doomheim
#88 - 2011-11-22 19:40:43 UTC
It should be noted that very many players requested that creation of corp bookmarks NOT be tied to a corp role, but open to everyone. So CCP just heeded player feedback here.

We in my corp absolutely need all of our players to be able to create corp locations. The ability to restrict it would be a nice bonus, but only if a new separate role is created only for this. Since that is not possible for technical reasons, the system we now get is the best system possible.

(Though maybe the allowed number of corp BMs should be tied to corp size, so the poor Goons get some more BMs than a solo corp.)
v3rtigo
Stimulus
Rote Kapelle
#89 - 2011-11-22 19:40:48 UTC
lebniz wrote:
I think the storage of things like bookmarks and overview settings on the server is great, but I desperately want the ability to export/import this stuff to a local file as well. Mostly I want to use export/import to share bookmarks between my characters, but we've already seen that this sort of thing has unexpected uses that the player community has thought of. Exporting fittings into EFT, for example.

So, CCP, you've clearly already learned that export/import is good, because we now have it for fittings and overview settings. Why not for bookmarks too? In fact, since you already know it's good, why should I even have to ask for it on a case-by-case basis? Just be consistent and let us import/export pretty much anything that you ever add to the game that would make sense to import/export!

If there is some reason that you don't want us to be able to do this, fine; but please give me some other way to move the dozens of tactical bookmarks I've got on one of my characters to my other character. Forcing me to copy/trade them little by little, or to simply make a whole other set of bookmarks on each character is just pointless tedium that doesn't improve the player experience at all.


BM export. +1!

We're recruiting and stuff.
Klam
Church of Boom
#90 - 2011-11-22 19:47:20 UTC  |  Edited by: Klam
This is yet another winter expansion dev blog filled with simple awesome.

This lets scouts do what they like to do... actually scouting and setting up points, instead of shift clicking and jetting cans all day long.

I'm not sure how others feel, but this could make smart FCs much more strategic. This can go a long way to helping the better strategy/tactics win out over superior numbers.

The 5 minute delay is nice too, because that gives a slight, but not overwhelming early edge to those who prepare ahead of time.


While some will complain about the numbers... 250 corp bookmarks, or the access, anyone in corp can make them... I look at those as minor issues that will be ironed out later in future patches. The core idea here and implementation is pretty awesome.
Akrasjel Lanate
Immemorial Coalescence Administration
Immemorial Coalescence
#91 - 2011-11-22 19:50:52 UTC
Cool Bear

CEO of Lanate Industries

Citizen of Solitude
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#92 - 2011-11-22 19:54:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Liang Nuren
This is the feature that made me resub.

-Liang

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.
Starbuck Mulligann
Auto Scoop Solutions
#93 - 2011-11-22 19:55:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Starbuck Mulligann
This is so awesome! bookmark management has always been cumbersome and this is a huge improvement.

Can you throw in Alliance bookmarks while you're at it? Smile
lebniz
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#94 - 2011-11-22 20:00:56 UTC
So CCP made the point a few posts up that bookmarks need to be saved on the server so that the server can trust that the location information is valid. In other words, if we could edit the bookmark files on our computer, we could easily make super-deep safespots, or something else game-breaking. This is a very good point that I didn't think of when I made my original post about exporting bookmarks..

However, CCP: Please don't neglect the last point I made in my post. If we can't export bookmarks, then please give me some easy way to copy them from one character to another!

I'm certainly not the only person with multiple tactical bookmarks on nearly every gate in at least 2 or 3 regions, plus multiple safespots, off-grids, and assorted other bookmarks for dozens of systems. This is a couple hundred bookmarks! There has got to be some reasonable way of getting this data from one character to another without individually copying and trading them. I really don't think that such a restriction prevents any negative behavior in-game, and in fact serves only as an inconvenience to players. It is an unnecessary restriction and is the sort of thing that makes people grumble about CCP, and seems like exactly the sort of thing you guys are aiming to fix these days.

Maybe we could eve-mail large numbers of bookmarks? At the very least, if we can't be allowed to send them from one character to another across long distances, please fix the UI associated with duplicating and moving them, so it would be simpler to contract all of my bookmarks to my other character. As it is right now, they have to be copied one at a time (or in small groups) and this is incredibly tedious in large numbers..
Misanth
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE
#95 - 2011-11-22 20:07:53 UTC
Good stuff. Also hi Tux, been a while.

AFK-cloaking in a system near you.
Janeway84
Insane's Asylum
#96 - 2011-11-22 20:15:11 UTC
freaking awesome! this will be a great thing for corps of all sizes probably Smile
Mioelnir
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#97 - 2011-11-22 20:16:05 UTC
lebniz wrote:
So CCP made the point a few posts up that bookmarks need to be saved on the server so that the server can trust that the location information is valid. In other words, if we could edit the bookmark files on our computer, we could easily make super-deep safespots, or something else game-breaking. This is a very good point that I didn't think of when I made my original post about exporting bookmarks..


That's not really a problem.
Export both a bookmarks12.xml and a bookmarks12.sig generated with DSA or PKCS7.
Verify the signature upon submission for import.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#98 - 2011-11-22 20:16:37 UTC
Very sweet, but please can you add alliance bookmarks for the many tens of thousands of players who operate in alliances?

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Misanth
RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE
#99 - 2011-11-22 20:18:21 UTC
lebniz wrote:
So CCP made the point a few posts up that bookmarks need to be saved on the server so that the server can trust that the location information is valid. In other words, if we could edit the bookmark files on our computer, we could easily make super-deep safespots, or something else game-breaking. This is a very good point that I didn't think of when I made my original post about exporting bookmarks..

However, CCP: Please don't neglect the last point I made in my post. If we can't export bookmarks, then please give me some easy way to copy them from one character to another!

I'm certainly not the only person with multiple tactical bookmarks on nearly every gate in at least 2 or 3 regions, plus multiple safespots, off-grids, and assorted other bookmarks for dozens of systems. This is a couple hundred bookmarks! There has got to be some reasonable way of getting this data from one character to another without individually copying and trading them. I really don't think that such a restriction prevents any negative behavior in-game, and in fact serves only as an inconvenience to players. It is an unnecessary restriction and is the sort of thing that makes people grumble about CCP, and seems like exactly the sort of thing you guys are aiming to fix these days.

Maybe we could eve-mail large numbers of bookmarks? At the very least, if we can't be allowed to send them from one character to another across long distances, please fix the UI associated with duplicating and moving them, so it would be simpler to contract all of my bookmarks to my other character. As it is right now, they have to be copied one at a time (or in small groups) and this is incredibly tedious in large numbers..


I disagree with you. I've also many bm's in alot of systems, if not all regions in this game, we're talking thousands of bm's per character in the usual case. I'm also a guy who used to have the 'corp role' to do all bookmark copying, back in the day before WTZ and when you could only copy five bm's a time. I wouldn't be surprised if I had copied more in the hundred-thousands of bm's rather than the tens of thousands.

So I should agree with you, thinking about all the hard work I've done and how your suggestion would make my life easier? That's exactly why I don't agree with you, actually. I've put an awful lot of time in this game to get my bm's together, and I've put an awful lot of time sharing them too. And I still do it. Most my bm's I use in combat is not shared either, I've given myself a 'personalized advantage', and I'd like to believe I deserve it for all the hard ass work I put through too (that's another reason I'm not entirely happy I lost my super-safes, I spent time on those..).

TL;DR - if you put an effort into something, you should get an advantage. That's my opinion. If you start to make sharing and spreading too easy, people just get a bonus that isn't really deserved. The only setback with this too, would be the risk of having your own bm's "compromised", which is usually not a big issue either.

I think this addition of corp bm's is quite good, perhaps the limit of 250 is a bit too big, that's all.

AFK-cloaking in a system near you.
lebniz
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#100 - 2011-11-22 20:25:02 UTC
Misanth wrote:

So I should agree with you, thinking about all the hard work I've done and how your suggestion would make my life easier? That's exactly why I don't agree with you, actually. I've put an awful lot of time in this game to get my bm's together, and I've put an awful lot of time sharing them too. And I still do it. Most my bm's I use in combat is not shared either, I've given myself a 'personalized advantage', and I'd like to believe I deserve it for all the hard ass work I put through too (that's another reason I'm not entirely happy I lost my super-safes, I spent time on those..).

TL;DR - if you put an effort into something, you should get an advantage. That's my opinion. If you start to make sharing and spreading too easy, people just get a bonus that isn't really deserved. The only setback with this too, would be the risk of having your own bm's "compromised", which is usually not a big issue either.


I think you misunderstood me. I have two characters, and I would like to be able to take advantage of all the hard work I've done on both of those characters. I'm not saying that somebody should force you to share your bookmarks if you don't want to. I just want to be able to use the bookmarks that I made with Lebniz on my alt character as well. I don't think I should have to be subjected to the tedium of remaking all of them or copying them over one by one.