Crime & Punishment

We currently operate in highsec. We have spent some time in lowsec also and we have even participated in FW (both as attempts in the past to improve our ability to PvP). But right now, we are in highsec. We are basically starting over. We were inactive for a good length of time and we are now in a rebuilding phase. We want to learn from our mistakes so we do not repeat them, hence the reason for this post now while we are just getting started.

I'd be worried about the uni application process for this if you can't work out a deal.

I'll reach out to you soon, thanks.



You don't need any introduction at all. :)

I read your blog post some time ago about your incident with Brave Newbies. Was a great read.

I'm sure there's much we could learn from you and I'm glad you're willing. I'll reach out soon.



E-UNI is great, but I imagine the requirements of actually getting into that corp would be burdensome, and it would separate our players from our community while they are a part of it. That's something we're hoping to avoid. I appreciate the feedback, though.



Isn't it obvious? Taxes.

We always have wars on multiple fronts.

And we're not really in a position to fight you right now. There's like three of us, and we're not Cannibal Kane. xD

This is a project I am trying to put together as part of a larger program...one that goes beyond this alliance.

I hear Goonswarm has some wonderful new property down in Delve....:)

You should contact them, their prices are very reasonable.

You might have to front a security deposit tho, they are very wary of possible spies.

This went in an unexpected direction, but an interesting one.

I agree with everyone that has said going out there and fighting is a way to learn. Perhaps the best way. But I think a structured learning environment has value also. You can minimize a lot of early and common mistakes if you offer a training platform. And it has the benefit of ensuring everyone is taught the same things.

For some, it's the only comfortable way they'd be willing to learn, rather than being thrown to the wolves. For others, it just provides a good initial introduction where they have someone there to help them along. So we'd be out there fighting, but with a shared level of knowledge. Anything after that is an attempt to apply the knowledge we've learned.

This is something I imagine RvB and E-UNI are both very good at providing. I respect both of those organizations and think they provide an awesome platform for a lot of players. We often refer people to them if they express an interest that matches up with them more than us. Many of them had already considered them though and just want to join a different community.

Highsec is full of hostility, and it's often very one-sided. I don't know of very many groups that actively try to provide an opposing force, an opposite, to that aggression...offering a conflict that acts as a counter-balance. I've always felt that would be fun...a "good vs. evil" sort of conflict. That is what we tried to create the first time around.

So our "situation" was entirely self-created. And there's no putting the genie back in the bottle. Most of us would not want to even if we could. I don't think any of us thought it would be easy, but Eve continues to surprise me at the number of challenges it can create. It can get frustrating and I've been known to be reactionary, but I ultimately enjoy the challenge and complexity. I still think it's a fight worth fighting for.

All of that said, we need to regroup, and taking on a new challenge might be fun also.

I think you are over analyzing the entire process of "learning" how to pvp. The best way to get experience in this is to hop in a frigate, get a small gang together, and go for roams in low. Get your pilots used to working with your FC's. Training under other FC's in other corps may help, but then they will come to understand only that FC's actions, and that may become counterproductive in the long run. Losses are arbitrary as youll likely fit T1 throwaways (at this point) and your pilots will learn the things that matter the most... things like how to cut orbit. How to slingshot. What fits work on what. And most importantly, what fights NOT to take, and what corps NOT to **** off (like being an arrogant smartass and getting wardeced by every notable merc corp in eve, all the while telling your alliance you have NO IDEA why the big bad mercs pick on you). E-Uni and other corps that give classes obviously know their ****, but not every pilot is going to benifit from that type of instruction.

TL/DR: Want to pvp? Go pvp.

Lol..., the best thing you ever did for FSN was get us wardecced. ****, without that, id still be shooting at red crosses or /uninstalled. But the heart of my post was intended to be helpful, not about you. Pvp if you want to learn pvp. No other way to do it. You cant teach everything, and there is really no point where your going to be "ready" to pvp. Its like sitting in the menu screen of battlefield or COD, finger hovering over the "find match" button, thinking to yourself "oh man, should I do it?" LOL.

Hey rswfire,

I read your latest blog entry and your comments here, and I'm going to say some things that are actually non-trollish here for a change. Sorry, C&P.

When I was a new player in EVE, I was a student at EVE University, and was exposed to a lot of attitudes that were similar to your own. I developed some prejudices against highsec wardeccers, scammers, gankers, can flippers, etc, mainly because the community that I was a part of at the time viewed these activities as illegitimate gameplay, "bullying" in your language. They were wrong about that. (Grrrr Kelduum Revannnnnn....) After leaving the Uni, I spent some time small gang PvPing in null sec and founded a corp to teach new players to do same. Shipping hundreds of T1 frigates out to Curse for them to blow up got a little pricey, and I simply couldn't stand to shoot any more rocks or red crosses, so I came back to high sec and tried my hand at killing mission runners for profit.

Pretty soon, I was approached by the Belligerent Undesirables, who also liked to kill mission runners, and invited to join their community. Hanging out with this group, who include virtually all of the people who have ever wardecced you, I soon discovered that the high sec "griefer" community is about the most mature and intelligent group of people you will find in this game. This may be bad for business if it gets out, but fortunately, only I, you, Psychotic Monk, a couple dozen Mittani alts, Sabriz Adoudel and Unsuccessful at Everything actually look at the forums. Scamming, ganking, wardecs, minerbumping, suspect games, smacktalking, AWOXing, ninja baiting, and all that are legit gameplay, loads of fun, and not even remotely related to bullying.

Welcome back to EVE. I suggest you get a fresh start and do something different. The first thing you should do is remove that offensive Hitler video from you website. Seriously. I sort of get how you might think that is funny, but it's just weird. I watched it and it almost seems like you are on the side of Hitler saying that James 315 isn't cool. I've got a pretty thick skin and don't really give a **** about those kind of jokes, but as a historically oppressed minority I don't exactly think Naziism or white supremacy is funny either.

The second thing that you should do is rethink your Firesworn community. You don't need to be a high sec alliance. My suggestion would be to start a Firesworn chat channel and invite all the old gang to hang out there. Then join Brave Newbies and go live in lowsec. BNI is large and chaotic enough that if you are craving leadership roles, all you really have to do is stand up and say, "Here I am, follow me." You could have a "Firesworn Squad" if you want. When you leave high sec, you leave all that history behind. As you go along you will gain experience and meet new people, and maybe you can lay the groundwork for a successful alliance without all the baggage.

If you guys want to go on a couple small gang PvP roams, I would actually be willing to do that with you without AWOXing you, as was my original intent. You don't need to bring me into your corp, just hit me up sometime and we'll cruise around in low sec in low value ships and see if we can find something to kill. You can join my public channel Revolution! if this sounds interesting.

TL;DR: I am awesome. Give me your stuff.

Edit: Apperently "H1tler" is profanity filtered out of these forums. With good reason. Delete that video.

Hope you dont mind my alt taking over Firesworn Productions

https://gate.eveonline.com/Corporation/Firesworn%20Productions (corp for sale)