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So I got Concorded Last Night
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Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#21 - 2013-12-18 17:37:37 UTC
Hope Alar wrote:
So I get the jist of what everyone one is saying, the wrecks were not mine ...etc. Why did I not get a suspect flag then for stealing loot from my alt?


fleet members can loot. They cannot agress each other (shooting a wreck counts for this). You still would have had to set your safety to red to shoot it though.

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Hope Alar
Blue Tridents
#22 - 2013-12-18 17:38:18 UTC
Luci Ambrye wrote:
Hope Alar wrote:
So I get the jist of what everyone one is saying, the wrecks were not mine ...etc. Why did I not get a suspect flag then for stealing loot from my alt?


did you loot them whilst alt was in system/in fleet?

Yes, alt stayed in system, just at a planet.
Luci Ambrye
The Service Crew
#23 - 2013-12-18 17:39:04 UTC
Batelle wrote:
Hope Alar wrote:
So I get the jist of what everyone one is saying, the wrecks were not mine ...etc. Why did I not get a suspect flag then for stealing loot from my alt?


fleet members can loot. They cannot agress each other (shooting a wreck counts for this). You still would have had to set your safety to red to shoot it though.


i think you will find that you would not have had to set safety to red to shoot a fleetmates white wreck..
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#24 - 2013-12-18 17:39:20 UTC
Hope Alar wrote:
So I get the jist of what everyone one is saying, the wrecks were not mine ...etc. Why did I not get a suspect flag then for stealing loot from my alt?

Have you set him as blue?
Hope Alar
Blue Tridents
#25 - 2013-12-18 17:39:26 UTC
Batelle wrote:
Hope Alar wrote:
So I get the jist of what everyone one is saying, the wrecks were not mine ...etc. Why did I not get a suspect flag then for stealing loot from my alt?


fleet members can loot. They cannot agress each other (shooting a wreck counts for this). You still would have had to set your safety to red to shoot it though.


It was red because I frequent lowsec often. I don't normally do level 4 missions. Oh well, I recovered most of my loot from my wreck, but I was just a bit confused about my combat toon not having ownership even though he was creating the wrecks.
Hope Alar
Blue Tridents
#26 - 2013-12-18 17:40:15 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Hope Alar wrote:
So I get the jist of what everyone one is saying, the wrecks were not mine ...etc. Why did I not get a suspect flag then for stealing loot from my alt?

Have you set him as blue?

Personal standings, yes.
Luci Ambrye
The Service Crew
#27 - 2013-12-18 17:40:56 UTC
Hope Alar wrote:
Luci Ambrye wrote:
Hope Alar wrote:
So I get the jist of what everyone one is saying, the wrecks were not mine ...etc. Why did I not get a suspect flag then for stealing loot from my alt?


did you loot them whilst alt was in system/in fleet?

Yes, alt stayed in system, just at a planet.


thats fine as it just gets logged on the loot log in fleet. Sometimes what happens when the fleetmate leaves system and certainly when they leave fleet, the wrecks would turn yellow, then you would go suspect.
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#28 - 2013-12-18 17:41:01 UTC
I suspect you may have accidently can-flipped yourself at some point in the confusion.

That would explain it

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Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#29 - 2013-12-18 17:42:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Batelle
Luci Ambrye wrote:

i think you will find that you would not have had to set safety to red to shoot a fleetmates white wreck..


that's kind of bullshit. This is what the safety is for.

lol, i would definitely petition at this point.

"**CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!"**

Never forget.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#30 - 2013-12-18 17:46:26 UTC
Hope Alar wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Hope Alar wrote:
So I get the jist of what everyone one is saying, the wrecks were not mine ...etc. Why did I not get a suspect flag then for stealing loot from my alt?

Have you set him as blue?

Personal standings, yes.

Unless they change it as part of CW2.0, that should give him the right to loot (and only to loot).
Magna Mortem
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#31 - 2013-12-18 17:47:06 UTC
Batelle wrote:
Bienator II wrote:
Hope Alar wrote:
Notorious Fellon wrote:
Were your two characters in the same fleet?

Yea


fleets do not influence crimewatch mechanics.

set safeties to yellow or green if you are in highsec often. And abandon loot if you want to pick it up with a completely independent char. It is indeed working as intended since the system can't possibly know that the other player is piloted by the same person. You destroyed items of someone else, thats what concord saw and it was a crime and crimes end with the explosion of a ship in highsec.


clearly they do, as if he wasn't in fleet, the wrecks would have appeared yellow and he would have gotten a suspect flag for looting them. Fleets don't affect which actions are considered criminal however.

It still doesn't make sense that you can kill an NPC and the wreck will be owned by someone that might not even be in system.
You have to imagine the chaos this would guarantee to create, because suddenly hundreds like me would start running missions of other people, if this got changed. Imagine the confusion and the threads filled with tears.

Worth it creating a thread in F&I ?
Luci Ambrye
The Service Crew
#32 - 2013-12-18 17:47:15 UTC
Batelle wrote:
Luci Ambrye wrote:

i think you will find that you would not have had to set safety to red to shoot a fleetmates white wreck..


that's kind of bullshit. This is what the safety is for.

lol, i would definitely petition at this point.


im not saying its correct, im just giving details of what ive seen and heard happen in the past. eg. your in a mining op with non corp fleet mates, rats get killed, you get sick of all these wrecks everywhere so set your drones on killing these wrecks. Safety is green , hobs go do their merry little job until you tell them to pop a white wreck which your drones didnt make but 1 of your fleet mates did, result, concordokken 1 orca.

It still has teething problems imo like a few other things in Eve.
Hope Alar
Blue Tridents
#33 - 2013-12-18 17:47:42 UTC
Batelle wrote:
Hope Alar wrote:
So I get the jist of what everyone one is saying, the wrecks were not mine ...etc. Why did I not get a suspect flag then for stealing loot from my alt?


fleet members can loot. They cannot agress each other (shooting a wreck counts for this). You still would have had to set your safety to red to shoot it though.


In the case of a fleet pvp roam, if you kill people the wreck belongs to the group as a whole, yes? Meaning that anyone can loot it or shoot the wreck and nothing would happen. So the distinction here is that I was looting from a mission that belonged to my alt. It just seems odd.

What would have happened if my alt were logged off after providing a warp in for my combat pilot? Or the indy alt left system?
Luci Ambrye
The Service Crew
#34 - 2013-12-18 17:50:59 UTC
Hope Alar wrote:
What would have happened if my alt were logged off after providing a warp in for my combat pilot? Or the indy alt left system?


wrecks turn yellow, well, most of the time, like i say, it still has teething problems imo. They certainly go yellow if he logs off, but leaving system seems to be sometimes giving yellow wrecks, other times leaving them white.
Hope Alar
Blue Tridents
#35 - 2013-12-18 17:58:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Hope Alar
Luci Ambrye wrote:
Hope Alar wrote:
What would have happened if my alt were logged off after providing a warp in for my combat pilot? Or the indy alt left system?


wrecks turn yellow, well, most of the time, like i say, it still has teething problems imo. They certainly go yellow if he logs off, but leaving system seems to be sometimes giving yellow wrecks, other times leaving them white.


Alright well then I will write a petition. The ownership scenario of loot in a mission seems finicky then at best. Maybe that will work, and I guess in the future I will make sure to set my safety to yellow in highsec. If the petition is turned down, then oh well. That is eve.
Black Canary Jnr
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#36 - 2013-12-18 18:02:36 UTC
An old corpie of mine got his tengu back after he begged for it after doing the exact same thing.
Callic Veratar
#37 - 2013-12-18 18:14:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Callic Veratar
Hope Alar wrote:
It was red because I frequent lowsec often. I don't normally do level 4 missions. Oh well, I recovered most of my loot from my wreck, but I was just a bit confused about my combat toon not having ownership even though he was creating the wrecks.


Then you're out of luck. If you were concorded when you were green or yellow, yes, it's a bug and you should petition. If you were red, it was your own fault. Only fly red in highsec if you're doing something where you expect to lose your ship to concord.

Wrecks are owned by the person who's running the mission.
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#38 - 2013-12-18 18:20:43 UTC
AH!

You know where the confusion arose?

You said Vulture, and my mind for some reason loaded http://www.xdatabase.de/x3-reunion/common/_bilder/schiffe/173.jpg

A Teladi Vulture, a TS (or Industrial) of the X Universe.

Thats why I thought your scooper had got poopered

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Pandora Barzane
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#39 - 2013-12-18 18:44:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Pandora Barzane
petition it.

I had exactly the same years ago when I started doing L4's. Friend of mine was doing L4's, I came to help in my brand spanking new abaddon. So we fleeted.

A salvage ninja showed up, and friend started to shoot the wrecks, I then also started to shoot, and got concorded.

Petitioned it, and next day I got my abaddon returned.

only the person doing the mission is allowed to shoot the wrecks, yeah I know, ccp logic.
Ambassador Crane
Hellhound Productions
#40 - 2013-12-18 18:45:57 UTC
From what I understand, you got Concorded for shooting a container, not a wreck. The wrecks are yours. You killed the rats, you can loot and salvage the rat wrecks all you want without concern, because they're your wrecks. Same as shooting rats in a belt. My conclusion is the containers that dropped however are considered mission containers and thus belong to the character that pulled the mission. You shoot those and you're "committing a crime" resulting in Concord arriving. I'm also guessing if you had looted those containers prior, you would have been criminally flagged much the same as can flipping.

Besides the safety button, have you ever told the game never to show you the warning again whether or not you wanted to commit a criminal act? Like have you ever can flipped someone and the general pop up asks you if you’re sure, and you checked the box to never display this warning again?