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So I got Concorded Last Night
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Hope Alar
Blue Tridents
#1 - 2013-12-18 17:10:54 UTC  |  Edited by: Hope Alar
Is this petitionable? Or is this just the game working as intended?

I was running courier missions on an alt, and got a storyline combat mission. So I decided to bring in my combat main pilot to do it. I warped both of my pilots there, left my combat pilot, and warped my indy alt to a planet. As I was killing the npcs in the mission I was also salvaging/looting. I got to a point where my cargo was getting full so I was prioritizing loot that was better. I left a few containers and I thought the last npc should drop a container and I didn't want to have several containers on the field because I wanted to find the right one quickly. So I decidedly to shoot the containers I didn't want. Concord shows up and I lose a vulture.

Is this just the game working as intended? During the entire ordeal I was killing the npcs on my combat character, and the wrecks were white to him. He never got a suspect flag for looting/salvaging, but when I shot a container, that he made by killing the npcs, the big bad police didn't like that.

It seems odd to me that the wrecks were created by the combat character, and fully lootable/salvagable but not able to be blown up.

Both of my characters are in different corporations.
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#2 - 2013-12-18 17:12:37 UTC
Hope Alar wrote:


Both of my characters are in different corporations.


That is why

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Notorious Fellon
#3 - 2013-12-18 17:12:57 UTC
Were your two characters in the same fleet?

Crime, it is not a "career", it is a lifestyle.
Hope Alar
Blue Tridents
#4 - 2013-12-18 17:14:01 UTC
Notorious Fellon wrote:
Were your two characters in the same fleet?

Yea
Kate stark
#5 - 2013-12-18 17:14:01 UTC
i was under the impression you couldn't do dumb **** to get yourself concorded if you put your safety on green.

Yay, this account hasn't had its signature banned. or its account, if you're reading this.
Sirinda
Ekchuah's Shrine Comporium
#6 - 2013-12-18 17:14:42 UTC
You shot something that wasn't your character's property. Working as intended.

What you should've done was abandoning all containers and wrecks, that would've enabled your alt to shoot them without Concord coming to pick a bone with your Vulture.
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#7 - 2013-12-18 17:17:16 UTC
Sirinda wrote:
You shot something that wasn't your character's property. Working as intended.

What you should've done was abandoning all containers and wrecks, that would've enabled your alt to shoot them without Concord coming to pick a bone with your Vulture.


Or just right click/save location on the specific container you want to return to.

Mr Epeen Cool
Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#8 - 2013-12-18 17:19:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Batelle
Its worth a petition, if only because you might get an explanation of what happened. What mission was it? And the container that you shot, was it jettisoned, a drop from a structure, or a drop from salvaging a wreck?

Shooting a wreck that you own shouldn't invoke concord, even if the npc that generated the wreck was from a mission that you didn't pull. If the container was generated by salvaging a wreck it should be safe to shoot. If the container popped into existence separate from a wreck because you cleared a mission objective, its possible that container would belong to the indy alt.

That said, it should be impossible to get concorded if have your safety set to yellow or green.

Sirinda wrote:
You shot something that wasn't your character's property. Working as intended.

What you should've done was abandoning all containers and wrecks, that would've enabled your alt to shoot them without Concord coming to pick a bone with your Vulture.


All of those things should have been his property already, as the entire mission was run by the character that was later concorded.

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Luci Ambrye
The Service Crew
#9 - 2013-12-18 17:23:51 UTC
Batelle wrote:
That said, it should be impossible to get concorded if have your safety set to yellow or green.


i know someone who lost on orca in a very similar manner, as the safely doesnt stop you doing concordable things with drones.
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#10 - 2013-12-18 17:24:55 UTC
Batelle wrote:
Its worth a petition, if only because you might get an explanation of what happened. What mission was it? And the container that you shot, was it jettisoned, a drop from a structure, or a drop from salvaging a wreck?

Shooting a wreck that you own shouldn't invoke concord.


It didnt

He shot a wreck he didnt own

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Luci Ambrye
The Service Crew
#11 - 2013-12-18 17:25:49 UTC
Batelle wrote:
All of those things should have been his property already, as the entire mission was run by the character that was later concorded.


I think you will find that even tho he killed them, the wrecks are actually the property of his alt as it was his alts mission.

Some weird things can happen in fleets when you are in different corps.
Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#12 - 2013-12-18 17:26:32 UTC  |  Edited by: Batelle
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Batelle wrote:
Its worth a petition, if only because you might get an explanation of what happened. What mission was it? And the container that you shot, was it jettisoned, a drop from a structure, or a drop from salvaging a wreck?

Shooting a wreck that you own shouldn't invoke concord.


It didnt

He shot a wreck he didnt own


how would it be possible that he didn't own the wreck if his combat character was the only person shooting things?

Luci Ambrye wrote:
Batelle wrote:
That said, it should be impossible to get concorded if have your safety set to yellow or green.


i know someone who lost on orca in a very similar manner, as the safely doesnt stop you doing concordable things with drones.


assisting a GCC or someone with an active war while not in the same corp? thats a failure of the safety system for sure.

"**CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!"**

Never forget.
Luci Ambrye
The Service Crew
#13 - 2013-12-18 17:28:09 UTC
Batelle wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Batelle wrote:
Its worth a petition, if only because you might get an explanation of what happened. What mission was it? And the container that you shot, was it jettisoned, a drop from a structure, or a drop from salvaging a wreck?

Shooting a wreck that you own shouldn't invoke concord.


It didnt

He shot a wreck he didnt own


how would it be possible that he didn't own the wreck if his combat character was the only person shooting things?


because it wasnt his mission, it was his alts so the wrecks were his alts.
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#14 - 2013-12-18 17:28:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Ramona McCandless
Batelle wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Batelle wrote:
Its worth a petition, if only because you might get an explanation of what happened. What mission was it? And the container that you shot, was it jettisoned, a drop from a structure, or a drop from salvaging a wreck?

Shooting a wreck that you own shouldn't invoke concord.


It didnt

He shot a wreck he didnt own


how would it be possible that he didn't own the wreck if his combat character was the only person shooting things?



Because they are in different corps

Hope Alar wrote:


Both of my characters are in different corporations.

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Bienator II
madmen of the skies
#15 - 2013-12-18 17:29:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Bienator II
Hope Alar wrote:
Notorious Fellon wrote:
Were your two characters in the same fleet?

Yea


fleets do not influence crimewatch mechanics.

set safeties to yellow or green if you are in highsec often. And abandon loot if you want to pick it up with a completely independent char. It is indeed working as intended since the system can't possibly know that the other player is piloted by the same person. You destroyed items of someone else, thats what concord saw and it was a crime and crimes end with the explosion of a ship in highsec.

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Paranoid Loyd
#16 - 2013-12-18 17:32:33 UTC
Just last night? I get concorded every night Twisted

Everything is petitionable, file one. There is no reason not to. If you get your ship back great, if you don't hopefully you will get a reasonable explanation as to why you did not.

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Luci Ambrye
The Service Crew
#17 - 2013-12-18 17:33:43 UTC
Batelle wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Batelle wrote:
Its worth a petition, if only because you might get an explanation of what happened. What mission was it? And the container that you shot, was it jettisoned, a drop from a structure, or a drop from salvaging a wreck?

Shooting a wreck that you own shouldn't invoke concord.


It didnt

He shot a wreck he didnt own


how would it be possible that he didn't own the wreck if his combat character was the only person shooting things?

Luci Ambrye wrote:
Batelle wrote:
That said, it should be impossible to get concorded if have your safety set to yellow or green.


i know someone who lost on orca in a very similar manner, as the safely doesnt stop you doing concordable things with drones.


assisting a GCC or someone with an active war while not in the same corp? thats a failure of the safety system for sure.


forgive me for appearing thick, but where is GCC or War mentioned?
Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#18 - 2013-12-18 17:35:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Batelle
Bienator II wrote:
Hope Alar wrote:
Notorious Fellon wrote:
Were your two characters in the same fleet?

Yea


fleets do not influence crimewatch mechanics.

set safeties to yellow or green if you are in highsec often. And abandon loot if you want to pick it up with a completely independent char. It is indeed working as intended since the system can't possibly know that the other player is piloted by the same person. You destroyed items of someone else, thats what concord saw and it was a crime and crimes end with the explosion of a ship in highsec.


clearly they do, as if he wasn't in fleet, the wrecks would have appeared yellow and he would have gotten a suspect flag for looting them. Fleets don't affect which actions are considered criminal however.

It still doesn't make sense that you can kill an NPC and the wreck will be owned by someone that might not even be in system.

"**CCP is changing policy, and has asked that we discontinue the bonus credit program after November 7th. So until then, enjoy a super-bonus of 1B Blink Credit for each 60-day GTC you buy!"**

Never forget.
Hope Alar
Blue Tridents
#19 - 2013-12-18 17:35:06 UTC
So I get the jist of what everyone one is saying, the wrecks were not mine ...etc. Why did I not get a suspect flag then for stealing loot from my alt?
Luci Ambrye
The Service Crew
#20 - 2013-12-18 17:37:06 UTC
Hope Alar wrote:
So I get the jist of what everyone one is saying, the wrecks were not mine ...etc. Why did I not get a suspect flag then for stealing loot from my alt?


did you loot them whilst alt was in system/in fleet?
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