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Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#41 - 2013-12-18 14:05:00 UTC
Seven Koskanaiken wrote:
Join an NPC corp. They are special corps CCP made for people who don't enjoy wardecs EVE Online.


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Arduemont
Rotten Legion
#42 - 2013-12-18 14:15:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Arduemont
When you join a player run corporation, you are subject to wars. If you didn't want that to happen, why did you willingly join a player run corporation? I am pretty sure there is even a warning, saying you will be subject to wars when you elect to join a corp.
Kagura Nikon wrote:
Will make sure your alliance name passes under review for our next war deck week list.

Might do the same. The tears are ripe here.

"In the age of information, ignorance is a choice." www.stateofwar.co.nf
Spurty
#43 - 2013-12-18 14:18:08 UTC
What if war vs private corporations was not an option in high sec?

What if you had to join faction warfare to fight there or just go to low / null sec?

Without some stat like 99% of ships that explode do so because of war in highsec, then sounds like it could break the economy on ship sales.

I find it hard to imagine war is that useful.

It's driven 9 people I've personally introduce to eve away. That's a ninety percent loss of people who love the game but can't stand the war mechanic so left (and can't remember their logins to help me out with a petition so double gg).

If you want people to move out of high sec why would you offer them all the goodstuff there?

There are good ships,

And wood ships,

And ships that sail the sea

But the best ships are Spaceships

Built by CCP
Kagura Nikon
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#44 - 2013-12-18 15:01:08 UTC
Spurty wrote:
What if war vs private corporations was not an option in high sec?

What if you had to join faction warfare to fight there or just go to low / null sec?

Without some stat like 99% of ships that explode do so because of war in highsec, then sounds like it could break the economy on ship sales.

I find it hard to imagine war is that useful.

It's driven 9 people I've personally introduce to eve away. That's a ninety percent loss of people who love the game but can't stand the war mechanic so left (and can't remember their logins to help me out with a petition so double gg).

If you want people to move out of high sec why would you offer them all the goodstuff there?



It makes the game interesting for a LOT of people that play mostly in these wars. Your gameplay is not more important then mine. I find 0.0 blobs boring. I do not force you to like my PVP, but you must understand that I find it thousand times better than 0.0 .

Without wars how you remove highsec POS? or high sec POCOs?

The opposite should be made. People should be evicted from NPC corps after a few months and forced to play EVE.


No one that cannot stand wars likes eve. If you cannot stand a war then you are not material to be an eve player!

"If brute force does not solve your problem....  then you are  surely not using enough!"
Vicky Somers
Rusty Anchor
#45 - 2013-12-18 15:03:11 UTC
If you get wardecced, move into lowsec/null/wh in a cloaky explorer. Then you'll actually start making proper isk and annoy the crap out of the aggressor not to mention you might learn something new about the game.
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#46 - 2013-12-18 15:05:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Jenn aSide
Kagura Nikon wrote:
Spurty wrote:
What if war vs private corporations was not an option in high sec?

What if you had to join faction warfare to fight there or just go to low / null sec?

Without some stat like 99% of ships that explode do so because of war in highsec, then sounds like it could break the economy on ship sales.

I find it hard to imagine war is that useful.

It's driven 9 people I've personally introduce to eve away. That's a ninety percent loss of people who love the game but can't stand the war mechanic so left (and can't remember their logins to help me out with a petition so double gg).

If you want people to move out of high sec why would you offer them all the goodstuff there?



It makes the game interesting for a LOT of people that play mostly in these wars. Your gameplay is not more important then mine. I find 0.0 blobs boring. I do not force you to like my PVP, but you must understand that I find it thousand times better than 0.0 .

Without wars how you remove highsec POS? or high sec POCOs?

The opposite should be made. People should be evicted from NPC corps after a few months and forced to play EVE.


No one that cannot stand wars likes eve. If you cannot stand a war then you are not material to be an eve player!


I dig the sentiment, but I don't agree with forcing people out of NPC corps.

Forcing people to do things just reinforces their paranoid "you just want me to play your way" attitude that they hide behind. I much rather CCP reform NPC corps to be more fair to the rest of the game (it's already this way for combat pve pilots in npc coprs, they pay an 11% tax)
Da'iel Zehn
Evil Frosty's Premium Liqours and Fine Wines
#47 - 2013-12-18 15:15:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Da'iel Zehn
Xaak Arji wrote:
Why is this game so F***ing elitist? It's so stupid that I cannot exclude myself from a war decc. Makes me so angry it makes my experience with Eve a total piece of S***. Millions lost because I can't just be left the hell alone, yet still have some sense of community and guys to run PvE. As a new player I can not get ahead because every time I join a corp, some ass hole f***ing thinks it's funny to blow my s*** up in a stupid ass war. Seriously. Rant over.


Unlike others I have compassion for you. I understand. Even during war there are strategies to still have fun.

1) Disperse. War targets will scout the corp and learn where they work, play, and live. Take off by yourself to a distant star on the other side of the galaxy.

2) Your corp should set the aggressor to negative standings immediately when the war is declared. That way you can spot your enemy during the 24 hours before the war begins. If they don't, set them to negative standings with you personally.

3) Keep your eyes on local. Pay attention to your surroundings.

4) Always have an escape plan when you are out doing an activity.

5) You should have all of the navigation skills trained to level 5.

6) Leave the corp for an NPC or your own until the war is over. I prefer my own holding corp (0% taxes etc).

7) My favorite. Strap on your guns, get your corp together, hunt the griefers, lock them in their station, provide plenty of mockery because they are camped in and have nothing to do but ship spin, blow up as many of their ships and pods as possible. Save their corpses so you can kick them when you feel like for all eternity. :-) *kicks a couple of corpses as an example*

8) Hire some mercenaries to assist with #7.

There are lots of other things you can do... these are just some off the top of my head.
Kagura Nikon
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#48 - 2013-12-18 15:17:15 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Kagura Nikon wrote:
Spurty wrote:
What if war vs private corporations was not an option in high sec?

What if you had to join faction warfare to fight there or just go to low / null sec?

Without some stat like 99% of ships that explode do so because of war in highsec, then sounds like it could break the economy on ship sales.

I find it hard to imagine war is that useful.

It's driven 9 people I've personally introduce to eve away. That's a ninety percent loss of people who love the game but can't stand the war mechanic so left (and can't remember their logins to help me out with a petition so double gg).

If you want people to move out of high sec why would you offer them all the goodstuff there?



It makes the game interesting for a LOT of people that play mostly in these wars. Your gameplay is not more important then mine. I find 0.0 blobs boring. I do not force you to like my PVP, but you must understand that I find it thousand times better than 0.0 .

Without wars how you remove highsec POS? or high sec POCOs?

The opposite should be made. People should be evicted from NPC corps after a few months and forced to play EVE.


No one that cannot stand wars likes eve. If you cannot stand a war then you are not material to be an eve player!


I dig the sentiment, but I don't agree with forcing people out of NPC corps.

Forcing people to do things just reinforces their paranoid "you just want me to play your way" attitude that they hide behind. I much rather CCP reform NPC corps to be more fair to the rest of the game (it's already this way for combat pve pilots in npc coprs, they pay an 11% tax)


When I mean force, I mean the carrot not the stick. Altough it may look a bit sticky :)


The problem with the current method is, people simply make their own 1 peopel corp. Eve is made for and 90% of the fun on it relies on you being in a real corp with several members.

Its better for these people if the game pushed them into real corps.

I would increase NPC tax rate a LOT but based on character age. Example. Your tax start at 0 and increase by 10% per month. Up to something like 50%.

When you create a corp, the startign minimal tax (Taht does nto go to the corp wallet) be around 25%. And htat tax reduced by 1% per member in the corp.


Important, on both cases the taxes should be applied only to income adquired in high sec. That means that natureally people would flock to larger high sec corps and increase their iteraciton in game, increasing their chance of finding activities to do in group. Or they will go to low sec.


We hunt in high sec, simply because its the palce where 3/4 of all targets are. If something pushes people into dicorerign more the game, a lot of things would change

"If brute force does not solve your problem....  then you are  surely not using enough!"
Da'iel Zehn
Evil Frosty's Premium Liqours and Fine Wines
#49 - 2013-12-18 15:32:08 UTC
ACE McFACE wrote:
Either terrible, or obvious troll


Or they create a whine thread so they get hunted and get lots of PvP! Actually its kind of smart if PvP is the goal. lol Lol
SurrenderMonkey
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#50 - 2013-12-18 15:44:33 UTC
Xaak Arji wrote:
Why is this game so F***ing elitist? It's so stupid that I cannot exclude myself from a war decc. Makes me so angry it makes my experience with Eve a total piece of S***. Millions lost because I can't just be left the hell alone, yet still have some sense of community and guys to run PvE. As a new player I can not get ahead because every time I join a corp, some ass hole f***ing thinks it's funny to blow my s*** up in a stupid ass war. Seriously. Rant over.



People who don't enjoy it when you blow up: You.
People who DO enjoy it when you blow up: Everyone else.

Needs of the many, and all that.

"Help, I'm bored with missions!"

http://swiftandbitter.com/eve/wtd/
Chandaris
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
#51 - 2013-12-18 15:52:56 UTC
CCP Falcon wrote:

My best advice as an 11 year veteran of EVE?

Learn to shoot back.



This.
Kagura Nikon
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#52 - 2013-12-18 15:55:24 UTC
Da'iel Zehn wrote:
ACE McFACE wrote:
Either terrible, or obvious troll


Or they create a whine thread so they get hunted and get lots of PvP! Actually its kind of smart if PvP is the goal. lol Lol



Considerign his character have lots of losses and not a single kill.. Does not seem likely. THing is, his corp is not teachign him what they should be

"If brute force does not solve your problem....  then you are  surely not using enough!"
Caviar Liberta
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#53 - 2013-12-18 16:11:37 UTC
Erica Dusette wrote:
Join a wormhole corp. Best place to live if you wanna be left alone.

Wars will become mostly pointless then. But everyone will still be trying to kill you anyway. Lol


EvE , EvE Online EvE Online, Worm Holes, worm holes, worms with holes.
Desivo Delta Visseroff
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#54 - 2013-12-18 16:15:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Desivo Delta Visseroff
Are you mad about this?

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=20980584

and this?

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=20980609

Seriously?!?

Where do I start? Should I begin with the fact that you lost less than 200mil and you're crying about? Or should I state the what has already be sated time and time and time and time again: DON'T FLY A BATTLESHIP UNLESS YOU HAVE THE SKILLS TO FLY AND FIT IT PROPERLY

Here's some other helpful advise. In a war:
1. learn your enemy and the systems they hunt in and avoid those systems by a wide buffer;
2. don't fly/mission/mine solo;
3. don't fly what you can't afford to lose and fit properly;
4. don't cry on the forums about it. Because most of the people responding already practice these and many more survival and common sense proctices during both peace time and (especially) during a war.

Finally, don't bash Elitism by using your own Elitist Entitlement. Unless you're trolling. In which case troll awayPirate


Edit: My God What a ****fitShocked

I was hunting for sick loot, but all I could get my hands on were 50 corpses[:|]..............[:=d]
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#55 - 2013-12-18 16:19:07 UTC
Desivo Delta Visseroff wrote:
Are you mad about this?

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=20980584



Im mad about this

Mad this dangerously unsafe ship was allowed to undock

I demand MOTs before insuring

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Vidua Arte Album
Epic Boo Bees
#56 - 2013-12-18 16:25:36 UTC
Geez... what does it cost to wardec these people?
Dranchela
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#57 - 2013-12-18 16:48:50 UTC
Xaak Arji wrote:
Why is this game so F***ing elitist? It's so stupid that I cannot exclude myself from a war decc. Makes me so angry it makes my experience with Eve a total piece of S***. Millions lost because I can't just be left the hell alone, yet still have some sense of community and guys to run PvE. As a new player I can not get ahead because every time I join a corp, some ass hole f***ing thinks it's funny to blow my s*** up in a stupid ass war. Seriously. Rant over.


Has General Tso's changed so much since I left flew fleets with them that they allow people like you in?
NickSuccorso
Canadian Bacon.
Honorable Third Party
#58 - 2013-12-18 17:04:16 UTC
Xaak Arji wrote:
Why is this game so F***ing elitist? It's so stupid that I cannot exclude myself from a war decc. Makes me so angry it makes my experience with Eve a total piece of S***. Millions lost because I can't just be left the hell alone, yet still have some sense of community and guys to run PvE. As a new player I can not get ahead because every time I join a corp, some ass hole f***ing thinks it's funny to blow my s*** up in a stupid ass war. Seriously. Rant over.


You sir, deserve everything you have gotten. You titled your post "Why???" the answer is: "Because you are a whiny carebear".
Jen Takhesis
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#59 - 2013-12-18 17:04:55 UTC
CCP Falcon wrote:
War is the fuel that keeps the gears of New Eden's economy turning.

Without stuff being blown up, and without people blowing stuff up, the demand for new hardware would plummet, and the economy would grind to a halt.



You forgot to mention that Delicious, Delicious Tears® (volume .001m3) are required in many vital Eve processes.
Feyd Rautha Harkonnen
Doomheim
#60 - 2013-12-18 17:05:32 UTC
Seven Koskanaiken wrote:
Join an NPC corp. They are special corps CCP made for people who don't enjoy wardecs.

On that note CCP should actually increase the negatives associated with hiding out in NPC corps, or running to them as a war avoidance mechanism...

- Increase NPC corp tax rates to 50% as a good start. You can hide in there forever mr. carebear, but it sure will cost you -- ideally much more than it would to fit a series of T1 frigates and losing them repeatedly learning how to pew under a dec instead...

- Put people leaving a corp that is under wardec into a one week stasis period before they can actually leave.

Do these things for fairness, to keep EvE what it should be and improve it.

Above all, do it for the children.

Would you like to know more?