Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Some small gang doctrines do use missiles.

For once we agree, globaly. The problem for mission runing is not the burst mode mecanic (because as Rise said you can make two groups and fire while the second group is reloading to mimic a sustain dps), but in the poor sustain dps in itself.

I found the difference.. you have reload time excluded in your calculations..
To get a full picture of how any weapon is going to perform it does help to include reload. Or at least include reload as part of the equation, like overheating.

If you fo further and take into account many don't have specialization trained to 5, most people I know (myself included) have specialization 4 , then your optimal DPS is less again.
This is something CCP don't seem to recognise when balancing either. RLML deal good damage, until you take into account non level 5 skills. When you only have 18 volleys dealing 2% less than optimal damage, makes a big difference between success or failure.
Then you need to decide, is another 17 days for 2% damage really worth it or will I just train another weapon system in that time that works well at lvl 4 specialization.
If you have ( like quite a few) over 100 mil SP, then the choice is not so hard but when your at 20 mil SP and training up support skills at the same time - is 17 days for 2% damage really worth it?

RLML are better than before to go through an active tank. And if you don't focus on AB frigates that are unable to catch you, you can kill most MWD frigates faster than before too.

And anyway a nerf is not gonna make the weapon overall better, because RLML have indeed been nerfed.

@Sgt Ocker : skills almost always get higher as time goes on (like entropy), and some people do have all skills at 5, so if you don't balance everything for allV skills, you can have something not OP without allV, but OP with allV. Just be patient, your skillpoint will only increase.

And? If you can't kill something before the reload on HAMs, either your're fighting something you shouldn't, or they're a beastly active tank. As for RLML, i don't focus on the reload. I focus on what i can kill before the reload, as reloading indicates me warping off to a safe, reloading to the next appropriate ammo and coming back.

When fits are made/posted, its ALWAYS been with stats at lvl5. Its for comparison reasons only, to show the potential of the fit. I'm not going to spend the time to breakdown every potential combination of skills/stats. Fits are always posted at lvl5 stats, just how it is.

17 days for 2%, is it worth it? Probably not, but when you get to higher SP, those too, will eventually be trained. Gunnery has a couple skills like this too. For increasing fall-off 5%, its a 17d train for lvl5. My missile skills really aren't that great since i started out as a turret user. I'm slowly training into them now. However, somehow, unlike other people, i'm able to kill frigs with RLML(my most recent kill with a RoF bonus hull, http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/killmail.php?id=21316480). So, that tells me its not so much about your skills, but how you're piloting the ship and how you've fit it.

The RLML are actually hilariously overpowered when fitted/flown right. Still not sure how missile users haven't been able to kill frigs with, i'm assuming much higher missile SP than me, using RLML. Then downtalk them like they're uselss. In PVE, yes. PVP, no.

And the whole PVE debate.. really? HM/HAM/Cruise make way more sense than RLML. You can actually get away with having a dual/triple TP setup with rigors and still have enough to tank most missions. So why put yourself through the reload, just change how you fit if you insist on using missiles for missions. You're dealing with mostly static targets, that MWD very rarely, and can easily be killed with drones.

The game is not made for your convenience. You do with the tools you have. It's never convenient for example to see our drones killed, yet that happen and we deal with it.

This completely ignore the fact that for the first 50s you were on field you did two times better job than if you had a weapon without long reload.

You do in 50s the job you would be doing in 110s. Please tell me you see the value of such a thing or I'll need to demonstrate you how not being on field is safer than being on field and that'll make me look condescending. :-(

Are people seriously implying that all missiles are bad, or just the new terrible rapid launchers?

Whenever you use return to drone bay command you get 40sec timer, preventing you to launch new drones, basically to play with them back and forth as you please. What HAML, you not done with insinuations? Come to SiSi if you think I'm just empty talking the way you do.


WOW so it is confirmed.

No, only rapid launchers and heavy missiles. Heavy assault missiles could be good with damage application buff and torpedos could use some extra range.

I feel torpedoes could use reduced charge size. It's not possible to actually kill anything with them before reloading, and you can't carry any at all in cargo because they're so huge. Also expensive, for some reason.

I'd be down for an all-around buff on heavy missiles, basically undoing the nerf, but I'd like to see it at the same time as CCP de-sillying the fitting requirements - heavies and cruises should probably use lots of fitting like light missiles and all the other LR weapons in the game. It's all backwards right now, and I don't get why.

Well, here is why:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OIolD0UaCAk

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