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PVE ship other than Drake for lowSP char
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Kaikka Carel
Ziea
#1 - 2013-12-18 15:31:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Kaikka Carel
As the title says:

1. This is for the secondary character that jumps in after the Drake gets initial aggro
2. Level4 Caldari Navy missions
3. No missiles
4. No T2 weaponry or hulls
5. No Advanced Weapon Upgrades
6. No T2 drones or sentries to make it work
7. Around 2 million SP on char.
8. May suggest faction hulls under 200 million ISK.

That is not for me but for my friend who refuses to drain Drake for it being "boring' and failsafe. Before I'd recommend going for Talos or Oracle because they perfomed well in DED 5/10, but since npcs now reaggro I question their surviveability.

So what would you recommend?
Antillie Sa'Kan
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#2 - 2013-12-18 15:44:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Antillie Sa'Kan
I would recommend that this person train to be able to fly an acceptable L4 mission boat. Because at the moment they clearly can't.
kurage87
EVE University
Ivy League
#3 - 2013-12-18 15:49:42 UTC
Smaller hulls pull aggro, so I think the only way to have the Drake hold aggro when you warp in your other ship would be for it to be either a BS or a cruiser/BC that perma runs an MWD.

Pretty sure that's how the aggro rules work anyway.
Lloyd Roses
Artificial Memories
#4 - 2013-12-18 15:55:55 UTC
With two or more ships on grid, he/she clearly wants a gila. Not sure how close to sleeper AI those new mission rats are, but two ships on field means that only frigs occasionally go for drones. With 150mil, the hull is very cheap aswell, the resistbonus+cruiserrecharge+midslots are solid, and sentries (navy versions) are very usable with sentry interfacing IV / drone interfacing IV already, certainly faster than both missiles or guns.
T Broz
Malakim Zealots
Angel Cartel
#5 - 2013-12-18 15:56:07 UTC
Skill Gallente.
Skill Armor.
Skill Drones.
Fly a Myrm/Gila/Ishtar.
Boss.
Marc Callan
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2013-12-18 15:56:54 UTC
If the secondary character has decent active-armor tanking skills, you might try a Brutix - blaster or rail depending on how much damage you need to throw as versus how much you want to be actively flying the thing.

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Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#7 - 2013-12-18 15:57:43 UTC
Attack battlecruisers work alright for dps support in a mission, but you need to use their speed and range to avoid dying. Most non-drake combat BC's will have issues with damage projection (range).

But yeah, get his butt in a battleship (probably a turret battleship) and get some gun skills, then aggro will be less of an issue, and the damage will be better.

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Kaikka Carel
Ziea
#8 - 2013-12-18 16:06:38 UTC
kurage87 wrote:
Smaller hulls pull aggro, so I think the only way to have the Drake hold aggro when you warp in your other ship would be for it to be either a BS or a cruiser/BC that perma runs an MWD.

Pretty sure that's how the aggro rules work anyway.


Wow, really? The smaller the hull the sooner it gets attention? That sucks...

How about Ferox? Decent tank potential albeit not capstable like the Drake.
kurage87
EVE University
Ivy League
#9 - 2013-12-18 16:34:48 UTC  |  Edited by: kurage87
Kaikka Carel wrote:
kurage87 wrote:
Smaller hulls pull aggro, so I think the only way to have the Drake hold aggro when you warp in your other ship would be for it to be either a BS or a cruiser/BC that perma runs an MWD.

Pretty sure that's how the aggro rules work anyway.


Wow, really? The smaller the hull the sooner it gets attention? That sucks...

How about Ferox? Decent tank potential albeit not capstable like the Drake.

Ferox as what? The DD or the tank?

I have absolutely no idea how it'd do tanking a L4.

As for being DD, a perma MWD rail ferox will do good dps because it doesn't need much tank (483 with standard AM, 34+23, no drones, max skills) and combined with the Drake's HM dps should kill stuff fast.

Arrive, activate MWD + orbit Drake.

Assuming I'm right about the sig rad being what controls the aggro anyway. I put a bit of tank on it if it does manage to pull aggro.

Bear in mind of course that I could be talking out of my arse, but here's the high sig DD fit I put together. Bit of tank for if it does pull aggro. Failry mong fit with em rig but like I said, it shouldn't pull aggro and like this you don't need to change hardeners etc.

Obviously, forumites feel free to lambaste fit xD

[Ferox, High Sig DD L4]
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Tracking Enhancer II

Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I
Medium Capacitor Booster II, Cap Booster 800
Medium Ancillary Shield Booster, Cap Booster 50
Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
Tracking Computer II, Optimal Range Script

250mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge M
250mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge M
250mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge M
250mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge M
250mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge M
250mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge M
250mm Railgun II, Antimatter Charge M
[empty high slot]

Medium Ancillary Current Router I
Medium Hybrid Burst Aerator I
Medium Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I

Edit: Oh, your secondary char has naff all in the way of skills. I really can't see this working with any ship tbh, at least not in a timely way. Better to do L3s than this ham-handed approach to L4s.
chaosgrimm
Synth Tech
#10 - 2013-12-18 17:06:57 UTC  |  Edited by: chaosgrimm
Kaikka Carel wrote:
So what would you recommend?

Honestly, lvl 3s....

Maybe just tell them to kill other frigs in xyz ship for you so u can use salvage drones or something.
Marcus Walkuris
Aww yeahhh
#11 - 2013-12-18 20:40:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Marcus Walkuris
I'm at a loss, I thought most people knew that for PvE purposes Minmatar have a very strong progression through ship hull classes. Now with the last expansion one simply goes;Trasher, rush hurricane+artillery, maelstrom artillery+MJD, vargur.
Drones/Gallente are similar.
Gigan Amilupar
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#12 - 2013-12-18 21:12:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Gigan Amilupar
Honestly, you shouldn't be trying to run L4 missions at 2m SP. It's kind of a death wish. When you get to like 8m SP in combat related skills then, yeah, maybe. And that's not running a L4 in a battleship.
Robert Morningstar
Morningstar Excavations LTD
Business Alliance of Manufacturers and Miners
#13 - 2013-12-18 22:10:06 UTC
Tell him to start in a sentry myrmidon then go up to sentry domi once he finishes core and drone skills. Of course he may find that boring also but that will be the drake alternative for lvl 3 and will be the primary mission runner for lvl 4 if he invest skills to sentries.
Froggy Storm
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#14 - 2013-12-19 07:33:29 UTC
Given that the "main" char is in a drake to start with, you likely would be making more isk/hr running cruiser hulls in L3s and having much more fun than waddling a drake through L4s an hour at a time.
Alcorak
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#15 - 2013-12-20 21:50:12 UTC
Myrm. Active tank and drone damage bonus. Can carry different damage types. Fit some rails and an AB for extra dps. Will result in SP for drones, armor tanking, and hybrids leading to a quick later switch to PvP.
The Djego
Hellequin Inc.
#16 - 2013-12-20 22:28:03 UTC
Basically any BC(I wouldn't suggest the tier 3 BCs, because the damage and tank without high skills is very bad and they are a lot less tank heavy than the others) with a bit more tank on can do it, just look out for elite frigs and triggers. If there is enough dps on grid(you will have a problem with 2 low skilled 200 dps BCs) to get the spawns done quick, tanking should be rather trivial for a individual hull, thx to split agro.

[Brutix, Example]
Medium Armor Repairer II
'Refuge' Adaptive Nano Plating I
Prototype Armor Kinetic Hardener I
Prototype Armor Kinetic Hardener I
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II

Optical Tracking Computer I, Optimal Range Script
Optical Tracking Computer I, Optimal Range Script
Medium Electrochemical Capacitor Booster I, Cap Booster 800
Experimental 10MN Afterburner I

200mm Prototype Gauss Gun, Antimatter Charge M
200mm Prototype Gauss Gun, Antimatter Charge M
200mm Prototype Gauss Gun, Antimatter Charge M
200mm Prototype Gauss Gun, Antimatter Charge M
200mm Prototype Gauss Gun, Antimatter Charge M
200mm Prototype Gauss Gun, Antimatter Charge M
Drone Link Augmentor I

Medium Nanobot Accelerator I
Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I


Hobgoblin I x5
Hobgoblin I x5

Other options would be Hurricane, Cyclone, Ferox(as somebody else suggested above), Myrmidon, Prophecy or Harbinger.

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