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Templis Dragonaors

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X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#1 - 2013-12-17 22:35:28 UTC
Can somebody here please provide a background check for the entity called Templis Dragonaors.

Apparently there was an alliance fighting for the Caldari - IN THEATRE, ACTUALLY PARTICIPATING IN FACTION WARFARE AS IT IS INTENDED - with the same name. Apparently, after using this name for two years, CONCORD (I assume it's CONCORD... who else would approve of alliance names) decided that the alliance that calls itself Templis Dragonaors was impersonating this so-called entity.

I have personally NEVER seen the so-called entity Templis Dragonaors active in any part of New Eden, but my perspective may be skewed a bit - I actually undock my ship and fight against Caldari every day. Contrast this with staying docked up and arguing politics or whatnot that many former capsuleers seem to enjoy.

So, does this "Templis Dragonaors" (not the former FW alliance Templis Dragonaors) actually do anything in the universe? Do they deserve to keep their name?
Katrina Oniseki
Oniseki-Raata Internal Watch
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#2 - 2013-12-17 22:47:15 UTC
CONCORD probably determined that 'Templis Dragonaors' are impersonating the Templis Dragonaurs. It can be found, despite being an outlaw group, under your NEOCOM's "Member Corps" tab of the Caldari State faction information panel. I personally think it's rubbish to be included, but it's there nonetheless.

A swapping of a single letter isn't much different than copying the same exact name. It's usually not enough of a difference to survive a legal challenge in trademark and copyright cases... though I am surprised CONCORD is standing up for them, and two years late at that.

I can assure you however that the Templis Dragonaurs have existed long before you or I, on the order of hundreds of years. Do they deserve to keep their name? A bit of a red herring to answer that: They don't deserve to keep their citizenship or lives, nevermind their name. But, apparently, CONCORD thinks differently.

Oh, and... good riddance to that alliance name, as far as I am concerned. They named themselves after known terrorists and outlaws. They should be thankful that CONCORD only forced a name change, lest they be mistaken for the criminals they impersonated.

Katrina Oniseki
X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#3 - 2013-12-17 22:54:58 UTC
Not even the same spelling. Why does CONCORD not ban all of the Player Corporations and Alliances with "." at the end of their names?

Here's just one example:
Quantum Cats Syndicate
Quantum Cats Syndicate.
Katrina Oniseki
Oniseki-Raata Internal Watch
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#4 - 2013-12-17 23:02:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Katrina Oniseki
X Gallentius wrote:
Not even the same spelling. Why does CONCORD not ban all of the Player Corporations and Alliances with "." at the end of their names?

Here's just one example:
Quantum Cats Syndicate
Quantum Cats Syndicate.


I think I addressed the spelling issue in my previous post. It's not enough of a difference.

You have a point though regarding your examples. I would agree that such cases should be considered impersonation, unless of course the two entities share some sort of affiliation.

Perhaps you ought to report that case to CONCORD?

Katrina Oniseki
X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#5 - 2013-12-17 23:19:28 UTC
Katrina Oniseki wrote:
Perhaps you ought to report that case to CONCORD?

I think I may start reporting several names to CONCORD.
IbanezLaney
The Church of Awesome
#6 - 2013-12-18 04:44:39 UTC  |  Edited by: IbanezLaney
A can of worms has opened.



I wonder if anyone from TheMittani.com could cover this situation?
(CCP removed an alliance name last night - after 2 years of it being OK)

Would be very cool is they could.

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Saya Ishikari
Ishukone-Raata Technological Research Institute
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#7 - 2013-12-18 07:02:23 UTC
Honestly, it really just tells everyone anything they need to know about pilots flying under their flag. Carrying the moniker of an extremist terrorist group that has been declared enemies of the State clears away all confusion or doubt for the rest of us.

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Sean Parisi
Blackrise Vanguard
#8 - 2013-12-18 12:47:27 UTC
My good sirs, I believe this is an affront to our sensibilities as gentleman of the dueling society. The war between are factions has been degraded by the blatant racism that Concord willingly shows towards our fellow capsuleers. Favoring illegal entities, terrorist organizations and mercenary groups working to oppress our mortal slaves planet side.

This is also a clear violation of the Yulai accord as Concord is clearly favoring the Gallente in this conflict of supremacy for control over both Placid and Black Rise. Abusing its power to discredit our organization, if they can do this - then I must ask... The original name of this Alliance was not initially changed to a terrorist group on purpose in order to discredit the group in question... was it?

Grab your tin foil and ask yourself, if Concord is strong enough to do this... what will they do next? Will they change your very identity? I fear the end is nigh.
Caldari Citizen 1897289768118
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#9 - 2013-12-18 12:55:32 UTC
Saya Ishikari wrote:
Honestly, it really just tells everyone anything they need to know about pilots flying under their flag. Carrying the moniker of an extremist terrorist group that has been declared enemies of the State clears away all confusion or doubt for the rest of us.


Declared by whom? Where?
Kid, I have wasted a dozen of years of my life in raids against Dragonaurs, but we never called them "enemies of the State". Where did you get this phrase, or declaration? Have been stuck in a dreamy world of holo-movies? Because I can't find any of such declarations in the GalNet.

And now, after years of mutual killing, they are serving on my ships. I don't care what they got against our federal "friends", but they fight like tigers, they fight like real men. And I don't care that they are criminals, I won't let police to replace my best crew by some inept SWA greenhorns, only because they are some sort of terrorists. Hell, you can even hire gurista today, but the next morning you will find vital parts missing from your ship. Scoundrels pull out everything loosely attached. And if it is not loosely attached, they unscrew it and pull out as well.

Ask around people, flying in the war, and you will find out that majority of our crews are from Dragonaurs. Since YC110 they have something else to do except terrorism. And we use it. I prefer them to die fighting for the State, and not against the State. Or, if you want naked truth, they fight for me, and I am payed by the State for this.

The State doesn't pay me anymore for killing Dragonaurs.

I can understand your hatred, kid, but you must understand another thing: we all are humans, and if someone did something very bad to you, it doesn't give you right to mark all of them as "enemies of the State", besides, you simply lack authority to do this.

So, I can suggest you only this: stop pouting, call us some names, show us where they touched you, and I will see what this old space dog can do for you.
Sean Parisi
Blackrise Vanguard
#10 - 2013-12-18 13:06:58 UTC
Caldari Citizen 1897289768118 wrote:
Stuff.


Ladies and Gentleman, I confirm my suspicions. Concord has indeed been body snatching members of the Caldari Militia.
X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#11 - 2013-12-18 17:24:53 UTC
Saya Ishikari wrote:
Honestly, it really just tells everyone anything they need to know about pilots flying under their flag. Carrying the moniker of an extremist terrorist group that has been declared enemies of the State clears away all confusion or doubt for the rest of us.
I am petitioning CONCORD on the name "Akagi Initiative" for impersonating an Initiative when it is clearly only a corporation. More petitions will follow.
Pieter Tuulinen
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#12 - 2013-12-18 17:35:50 UTC
X Gallentius wrote:
Saya Ishikari wrote:
Honestly, it really just tells everyone anything they need to know about pilots flying under their flag. Carrying the moniker of an extremist terrorist group that has been declared enemies of the State clears away all confusion or doubt for the rest of us.
I am petitioning CONCORD on the name "Akagi Initiative" for impersonating an Initiative when it is clearly only a corporation. More petitions will follow.


I shall be petitioning Justified Chaos, on the grounds that chaos is always unjustified.

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Makoto Priano
Kirkinen-Arataka Transhuman Zenith Consulting Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#13 - 2013-12-18 17:41:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Makoto Priano
Maker. Pilots, don't feed the Gallentius. You'll have a happier, more productive, more fulfilling stay on the Summit if you ignore him.

I can only assume that the Federation doesn't have SLAPP legislation.

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Jennifer Maxwell
Crimson Serpent Syndicate
#14 - 2013-12-18 17:50:14 UTC
Makoto Priano wrote:
Maker. Pilots, don't feed the Gallentius. You'll have a happier, more productive, more fulfilling stay on the Summit if you ignore him.

I can only assume that the Federation doesn't have SLAPP legislation.

Believe me, I'd love to ignore him. Unfortunately, he doesn't know how to stay on his side of space.
Katrina Oniseki
Oniseki-Raata Internal Watch
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#15 - 2013-12-18 19:51:18 UTC
There is no need to be upset. Cool

Katrina Oniseki
ISD LackOfFaith
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#16 - 2013-12-18 20:21:56 UTC
Replacing "CCP" with "CONCORD" does not make it any more permitted (or in-character) to discuss GM actions. Please use the support ticket system for that.

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