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Which Ship would you like to see remodelled?

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Cerebral Genocide
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#521 - 2013-12-17 19:01:25 UTC
The caracle is really bad I think.

As far as the asymmetrical debate count my vote as FOR asymmetry.
Little Dragon Khamez
Guardians of the Underworld
#522 - 2013-12-17 19:33:30 UTC
have you seen the new crucifier? They've take a sleek and elegant ship and turned it into something as but ugly as bulldog licking **** of a nettle.

http://i.imgur.com/zKzaCVW.jpg

I can't remember anyone complaining about the crucifier so I'm miffed that they've found the time to change it when we have so many other pressing problems of appearance such as the blackbird and the moa.

Dumbing down of Eve Online will result in it's destruction...

Dessau
The Scope
#523 - 2013-12-17 20:24:33 UTC
If we're going with just one...

Tippia wrote:
All answers that are not “Imicus” are wrong.
CETA Elitist
The Prometheus Society
#524 - 2013-12-17 22:59:53 UTC
Kiryen O'Bannon wrote:

As for the Dominix, it needs to be longer and sleeker, but the base design is ok. It's just too compact and looks like it's wallowing about.

definitely. Make the dominix longer and sleeker, to better resemble a carrier of sorts. It would look beautiful.
Yokai Mitsuhide
Doomheim
#525 - 2013-12-18 01:27:25 UTC
Command Ships...I just came back to EVE after a 5 month break to see the beautiful Nighthawk with the horribly ugly Drake hull...I almost quit already lol.
Znagl
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#526 - 2013-12-18 02:54:00 UTC
Aeons, the Amarr Master Race has so many slaves, it should not take that long to finally finish them...


Also, flip over Hels and Niddis so we make even more fun of them!
Peter Raptor
Galactic Hawks
#527 - 2013-12-18 03:15:52 UTC
I really think these threads are pointless, no matter how many times you remodel a ship, some will like it, others won't, waste of Dev time this stuff...

Evelopedia; 

The Amarr Empire, is known for its omnipresent religion  †  

Oberine Noriepa
#528 - 2013-12-18 03:53:27 UTC
Little Dragon Khamez wrote:
have you seen the new crucifier? They've take a sleek and elegant ship and turned it into something as but ugly as bulldog licking **** of a nettle.

http://i.imgur.com/zKzaCVW.jpg

I can't remember anyone complaining about the crucifier so I'm miffed that they've found the time to change it when we have so many other pressing problems of appearance such as the blackbird and the moa.

This hull has animations, if I recall correctly.

Cato Black
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#529 - 2013-12-18 03:55:50 UTC
The Vexor is such an awesome ship, but it needs some modeling love. Give us something miniature carrier shaped for my favorite drone boat!

I am for sale https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&find=unread&t=321142

Jada Maroo
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#530 - 2013-12-18 04:16:06 UTC
Little Dragon Khamez wrote:
have you seen the new crucifier? They've take a sleek and elegant ship and turned it into something as but ugly as bulldog licking **** of a nettle.

http://i.imgur.com/zKzaCVW.jpg

I can't remember anyone complaining about the crucifier so I'm miffed that they've found the time to change it when we have so many other pressing problems of appearance such as the blackbird and the moa.


It looks glorious. It only took them 8 months to texture it.
Kyria Shirako
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#531 - 2013-12-18 07:42:47 UTC
There's a few Gallente ships with a particular design flaw: They look >Backwards.< They'd look good, or at least okay, if reversed. The Dominix would look fine if it was pointing the other way. To a lesser extent, this goes for the Erebus and Moros as well.

A few Gallente ships are just beyond ugly... And here I'm thinking of the space banana/mutant prostate vibrator Celestis first and foremost, then the Imicus, then the Obelisk and Catalyst.
Kagura Nikon
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#532 - 2013-12-18 09:51:54 UTC
Assimetry RULES!!!


Simemtric ships look dumb, stupid and designed by 5 year olds.

"If brute force does not solve your problem....  then you are  surely not using enough!"

Kagura Nikon
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#533 - 2013-12-18 09:55:01 UTC
Kiryen O'Bannon wrote:
Asymmetrical ships generally look ridiculous. A ship needs a reason to be asymmetrical; otherwise the design is pointlessly awkward. It is far more difficult to design the internal arrangements, thrusters, and firing arcs for asymmetrical ships, so unless it serves a specific purpose, asymmetrical models need to go. They don't look beautiful; they look silly. Some can be salvaged, like the Thorax; the overall shape is fine. The rear just needs to be reworked so both sides look the same; the differences serve no purpose.

Even the Caldari ones do not look "utilitarian"; they look like someone went out of their way to make the design pointlessly complex and structurally unsound. That briefcase the Moa is carrying looks like it would just get ripped off by a hit.

If there is an asymmetrical ship, it should serve an obvious purpose. Real-life supercarriers are asymmetrical - for a reason. It facilitates launch and recovery of aircraft. EVE asymmetrical designs look like somone just went out of their way to be nontraditional - except traditional ideas of what a ship would look like are that way because of what we think the ship would do. Form follows function.

The only asymmetrical design that really fills this standard is the Catalyst. It looks like it's wide and flat to allow its numerous guns plenty of firing arc. Asymmetrical ships should meet that standard, and there should be a lot less than there are.

As for the Dominix, it needs to be longer and sleeker, but the base design is ok. It's just too compact and looks like it's wallowing about.



Wrong. Simmetry needs a reason. Assimetry is the natural way ANY engineering project grows. If you need a device added to your project you find best place and put it there. making a second one to put on other side so it would be simmetrical is IDIOCY.

Only designers care for simmetry (and aerodynamics experts on a lesser degree).

"If brute force does not solve your problem....  then you are  surely not using enough!"

Jada Maroo
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#534 - 2013-12-18 10:19:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Jada Maroo
Uhm, any engineer concerned about the even distribution of mass would aim for some sort of symmetry. Wildly asymmetrical vessels like the Crucifier used to be would require more engineering to balance thrust with its off-center mass.
Minmatar Citizen 12903201
Chief Spice
#535 - 2013-12-18 10:50:57 UTC
CCP BunnyVirus wrote:
I'm listening

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Mike Whiite
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#536 - 2013-12-18 11:33:13 UTC
Kagura Nikon wrote:
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Wrong. Simmetry needs a reason. Assimetry is the natural way ANY engineering project grows. If you need a device added to your project you find best place and put it there. making a second one to put on other side so it would be simmetrical is IDIOCY.

Only designers care for simmetry (and aerodynamics experts on a lesser degree).


The most used reason for simatry is, that it's cost efective, both in nature and in industry.

two symetric wings can be cut the same way, one less cut to make and so one and so forth, Nature does the same thing a different curve cost more energy than two mirrored ones.

the only asymetrics you create are those that are absolutly nessasery.

the Flight deck and controle tower on a Aircraft carrier for instance (though that tower it self is quite symetric again)
and the rest of the ship is semetric again.

Now this is a game so it's not realy a must, though if that games lore describes one of the races as a ruflesly efficient race of merchants, how the hell do they come up with designs like the Moa, Blackbird, and Raven to name a few.

I'n my humble opinion Caldari ships should be symetric, with the exceptions of specialiced equipment, like the Radar on the Scorpion hull.

And I think the Leviathan should be made in the Image of the Borg Cube, max efficient :)

Kagura Nikon
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#537 - 2013-12-18 11:40:46 UTC
Mike Whiite wrote:
Kagura Nikon wrote:
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Wrong. Simmetry needs a reason. Assimetry is the natural way ANY engineering project grows. If you need a device added to your project you find best place and put it there. making a second one to put on other side so it would be simmetrical is IDIOCY.

Only designers care for simmetry (and aerodynamics experts on a lesser degree).


The most used reason for simatry is, that it's cost efective, both in nature and in industry.

two symetric wings can be cut the same way, one less cut to make and so one and so forth, Nature does the same thing a different curve cost more energy than two mirrored ones.

the only asymetrics you create are those that are absolutly nessasery.

the Flight deck and controle tower on a Aircraft carrier for instance (though that tower it self is quite symetric again)
and the rest of the ship is semetric again.

Now this is a game so it's not realy a must, though if that games lore describes one of the races as a ruflesly efficient race of merchants, how the hell do they come up with designs like the Moa, Blackbird, and Raven to name a few.

I'n my humble opinion Caldari ships should be symetric, with the exceptions of specialiced equipment, like the Radar on the Scorpion hull.

And I think the Leviathan should be made in the Image of the Borg Cube, max efficient :)



that makes sense when you build things in assembly lines and pieces are just connected and done.

Ships in eve are even larger than real live ships. And NEVER a ship is made like that. Things this size are build in ways that do not care for these properties.

You are not talking about a car with 3 meters here. You are talking about ships with half a km LONG!! Adding a new piece on other side just to make simmetrical will add THOUSANDS of tons of steel! Also internals of ships in real life are NOWHERE near simmetric therefore the pieces from left size of the ships are NOT interchangeable with the ones on right side anyway.

Makign simmetric Huge structures is LESS efficient!!

Just pay attention, military equipment around the world is basically the only place where you find assimetry. Why? BEcause military equipment cannot bother with "looking cool". They need to be efficient. The simmetry is kept up to a level for some logical reasons. A plane must have 2 equal sides to fly correctly.

But a tank have a coaxial gun on only 1 side. They have a search light on one side.

A carrier does nto have an island on each side of the runway, because 1 is enough!

Comemricial buildigns are simemtrical, because people care for it. Industrial buildings are not, because making them simmetrical would be a wastage!



"If brute force does not solve your problem....  then you are  surely not using enough!"

Akonnen
Birds of Prey Inc.
#538 - 2013-12-18 11:47:16 UTC
Def. Command ships, need to have their own skins or highly modified ones.
CMD Ishikawa
New Eden Public Security Section 9
#539 - 2013-12-18 13:31:45 UTC
Glad to read that the guys in CCP are listening.

Like so many others I believe that many ships need some serious remodeling...

Please please please do something about the Dominix, caldari and gallente cruisers need love too.
Notorious Fellon
#540 - 2013-12-18 14:31:41 UTC
Gogela wrote:
Broxus Maximas wrote:
Easy the Domi one of the worst looking ships in the game.

I'll try explaining my objection to a domi change in another way. So you guys who want to change it are like guys that like Bugatti's, Ferrari's and Zonda's. When someone asks you what you would do to a '32 Ford Coupe you observe it's old and want to turn it into a supercar. However, my point is that the deuce coupe is a classic, and that "old" look IS cool. If the roads were filled with Bugatti's and nothing else, they'd be less cool. Big smile



If the Domi looked like a '57 Chevy, you wouldn't have half this thread using it as an example of what needs the most fixing.

Instead, it looks like a flying shoe. Not a cool pair of retro-converse. No. It looks more like the first pair of shoes off the mayflower. No one wants to be seen in that ship.

Damn good thing it has some bite now so we can at least kill any witnesses.

Crime, it is not a "career", it is a lifestyle.