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Cato Black
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#41 - 2013-12-18 03:53:12 UTC
I knew there were other people out there smart enough to pick up on that!

Don't get me wrong, I had a lot of fun in some Boat fleets, but when I saw DBRB as FC for an op I planned on not copming home with my ship or my pod!

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Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#42 - 2013-12-18 04:04:24 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Cato Black wrote:
Before my old character left GSF I remember that DBRB was not allowed to FC cap fleets, so how exactly is he able to command the dreads to log off and back on? I don't know about you, but I would be listening to my FC, not boat, when my 2 bil+ isk ship was on the line.

http://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/1t3375/dy_goonfleet_loggs_352am/ce4384x
Vily (a capital FC unlike Boat) wrote:
i know its gonna interrupt your spin session, but boat wasn't in charge of anything save bombers.

Everyone in caps knows not to take boats orders.

I am curios as to when these logs are from in the span of the battle. As i dont remember us having a mixed domi/dreadfleet at any point.

anyways, as one of the 3 people actually making decisions for CFC, i can safely say we talked about node crashes, implications on the battle etc. but at no point did we actually say "we gots to crash the node bros"


Joke's on Vily for thinking it would actualyl interrupt the spin session...
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#43 - 2013-12-18 04:06:36 UTC
Frostys Virpio wrote:
Joke's on Vily for thinking it would actualyl interrupt the spin session...

Never underestimate the collective nerdrage of pubbies.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#44 - 2013-12-18 04:29:41 UTC
Frostys Virpio wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Cato Black wrote:
Before my old character left GSF I remember that DBRB was not allowed to FC cap fleets, so how exactly is he able to command the dreads to log off and back on? I don't know about you, but I would be listening to my FC, not boat, when my 2 bil+ isk ship was on the line.

http://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/1t3375/dy_goonfleet_loggs_352am/ce4384x
Vily (a capital FC unlike Boat) wrote:
i know its gonna interrupt your spin session, but boat wasn't in charge of anything save bombers.

Everyone in caps knows not to take boats orders.

I am curios as to when these logs are from in the span of the battle. As i dont remember us having a mixed domi/dreadfleet at any point.

anyways, as one of the 3 people actually making decisions for CFC, i can safely say we talked about node crashes, implications on the battle etc. but at no point did we actually say "we gots to crash the node bros"


Joke's on Vily for thinking it would actualyl interrupt the spin session...

A mixed dread and dominix fleet is pretty nice....

Wait, Vily... can you confirm the evemail sent to the whole alliance that the mittani is losing power in the goons because of a lost station egg?

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#45 - 2013-12-18 04:52:24 UTC
Whoa. All this time I was under the impression that DDs were for taking down nodes.

Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#46 - 2013-12-18 05:37:29 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:


A mixed dread and dominix fleet is pretty nice....


Bonus point for bomber FC.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#47 - 2013-12-18 05:44:48 UTC
Frostys Virpio wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:
A mixed dread and dominix fleet is pretty nice....

Bonus point for bomber FC.

I'd feel jealous that apparently two fleets at the same time got boat's attention but we couldn't join the threesome ...

Except we had kcolor FCing us so :smugdog:

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#48 - 2013-12-18 05:54:25 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Frostys Virpio wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:
A mixed dread and dominix fleet is pretty nice....

Bonus point for bomber FC.

I'd feel jealous that apparently two fleets at the same time got boat's attention but we couldn't join the threesome ...

Except we had kcolor FCing us so :smugdog:


Boat's power over fleet is too much to be wasted on a wing of bombers when he can, all by himself, orchestrate a node crash by typing something in some chat.
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#49 - 2013-12-18 05:57:04 UTC  |  Edited by: James Amril-Kesh
Why do we even need Laz, Reagalan, Dingo, Lyris, Vee, etc.
Clearly Boat can FC everything simultaneously and crash nodes just by thinking about it.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Frostys Virpio
State War Academy
Caldari State
#50 - 2013-12-18 06:01:58 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Why do we even need Laz, Reagalan, Dingo, Lyris, Vee, etc.
Clearly Boat can FC everything simultaneously and crash nodes just by thinking about it.


Boat's multibox alts of course... It's hard to type in so many fleet chat at the same time if you don't box.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#51 - 2013-12-18 06:09:37 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Why do we even need Laz, Reagalan, Dingo, Lyris, Vee, etc.
Clearly Boat can FC everything simultaneously and crash nodes just by thinking about it.

So secretly, actually Boat is the one leading the CFC and the mittani is just ...

yeah I don't know where I was going with that, did everyone see the GSF alliance mail

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
MestariBation
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#52 - 2013-12-18 06:11:48 UTC  |  Edited by: MestariBation
WAHT WE SEE HERE IS DAMAGE CONTROL 101.

Send me isk im poor
NickSuccorso
Canadian Bacon.
Honorable Third Party
#53 - 2013-12-18 16:07:28 UTC
Tyberius Franklin wrote:
So was there something done other than moving a large number of people into the system that caused it to crash? I keep hearing about some intentional act which allowed players to specifically crash the node but details are not exactly forthcoming.


Yes, there are very specific actions a fleet can take to put a large amount of stress on the server and cause a crash. However, discussing the specifics of how to "exploit" is prohibited by forum rules.

There is nothing complicated about what happened. Goons were being slaughtered. Instead of extracting from the fight using normal game mechanics they opted to attack the server and cause a crash to save their fleet. If that is the new meta CCP wants to endorse then they will do nothing about it.
Onictus
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#54 - 2013-12-18 17:04:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Onictus
NickSuccorso wrote:
Tyberius Franklin wrote:
So was there something done other than moving a large number of people into the system that caused it to crash? I keep hearing about some intentional act which allowed players to specifically crash the node but details are not exactly forthcoming.


Yes, there are very specific actions a fleet can take to put a large amount of stress on the server and cause a crash. However, discussing the specifics of how to "exploit" is prohibited by forum rules.

There is nothing complicated about what happened. Goons were being slaughtered. Instead of extracting from the fight using normal game mechanics they opted to attack the server and cause a crash to save their fleet. If that is the new meta CCP wants to endorse then they will do nothing about it.



No really we didn't. Or if we did the sub cap fleet ...read the vast majority of the CFC players on field heard nothing about it. We were actually trying NOT to change drone sets after the Titans hit grid because the servers were seriously chugging.

As the titans hit grid the call went out to log EEEEEEVVVVVVEEEEERRRRRRRRRRYYYYYYTHHHHHIIIIIIIIINNNNNGGGG (seriously that was on Jabber from Mittens)....and after the crash we were told to log back in ASAP, in fact I only de-synced, I never actually disconnected, I killed the client and restarted as people said that they were getting back online.


Doesn't that really sound like an organization trying to crash the node to extract safely?

Go check how many caps we lost AFTER the node failure because they logged back in.

Don't let facts shred your tinfoil though.

oh and here is right before the node hosed out of corp logs
Quote:

[ 2013.12.16 01:38:37 ] nye 2k > US FC's and fleets really need to take over
[ 2013.12.16 01:43:15 ] nye 2k > derp
[ 2013.12.16 01:43:19 ] nye 2k > lots and lots of supers
[ 2013.12.16 01:44:31 ] Onictus > sounds like we are leaving
[ 2013.12.16 01:45:08 ] nye 2k > hehe
[ 2013.12.16 01:45:09 ] nye 2k > yer
[ 2013.12.16 01:47:38 ] Onictus > oh ****
[ 2013.12.16 01:47:43 ] Onictus > they are going balls deep
[ 2013.12.16 01:48:00 ] Onictus > HOSTILE TITANS ON THE FIELD - EVERYTHING - BRING EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEVVVVVVVVVVVVVEEEEEEEERYYYYYYYYYYTHING
[ 2013.12.16 01:48:47 ] nye 2k > is that the ping?
[ 2013.12.16 01:50:54 ] Onictus > yeah Goonsjabber
[ 2013.12.16 01:51:21 ] Onictus > from Mittens no less
[ 2013.12.16 01:51:47 ] Onictus > This is going to get silly
[ 2013.12.16 01:52:03 ] Onictus > well more silly
[ 2013.12.16 01:54:15 ] nye 2k > if goons can get there supers on the pos edge...they could win
[ 2013.12.16 01:54:55 ] Onictus > so yeah on a day of rage pings that was the ragiest lol


Yup, we were trying to crash and extract.
NickSuccorso
Canadian Bacon.
Honorable Third Party
#55 - 2013-12-18 21:10:55 UTC
Onictus wrote:
NickSuccorso wrote:
Tyberius Franklin wrote:
So was there something done other than moving a large number of people into the system that caused it to crash? I keep hearing about some intentional act which allowed players to specifically crash the node but details are not exactly forthcoming.


Yes, there are very specific actions a fleet can take to put a large amount of stress on the server and cause a crash. However, discussing the specifics of how to "exploit" is prohibited by forum rules.

There is nothing complicated about what happened. Goons were being slaughtered. Instead of extracting from the fight using normal game mechanics they opted to attack the server and cause a crash to save their fleet. If that is the new meta CCP wants to endorse then they will do nothing about it.



No really we didn't. Or if we did the sub cap fleet ...read the vast majority of the CFC players on field heard nothing about it. We were actually trying NOT to change drone sets after the Titans hit grid because the servers were seriously chugging.

As the titans hit grid the call went out to log EEEEEEVVVVVVEEEEERRRRRRRRRRYYYYYYTHHHHHIIIIIIIIINNNNNGGGG (seriously that was on Jabber from Mittens)....and after the crash we were told to log back in ASAP, in fact I only de-synced, I never actually disconnected, I killed the client and restarted as people said that they were getting back online.


Doesn't that really sound like an organization trying to crash the node to extract safely?

Go check how many caps we lost AFTER the node failure because they logged back in.

Don't let facts shred your tinfoil though.

oh and here is right before the node hosed out of corp logs
Quote:

[ 2013.12.16 01:38:37 ] nye 2k > US FC's and fleets really need to take over
[ 2013.12.16 01:43:15 ] nye 2k > derp
[ 2013.12.16 01:43:19 ] nye 2k > lots and lots of supers
[ 2013.12.16 01:44:31 ] Onictus > sounds like we are leaving
[ 2013.12.16 01:45:08 ] nye 2k > hehe
[ 2013.12.16 01:45:09 ] nye 2k > yer
[ 2013.12.16 01:47:38 ] Onictus > oh ****
[ 2013.12.16 01:47:43 ] Onictus > they are going balls deep
[ 2013.12.16 01:48:00 ] Onictus > HOSTILE TITANS ON THE FIELD - EVERYTHING - BRING EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEVVVVVVVVVVVVVEEEEEEEERYYYYYYYYYYTHING
[ 2013.12.16 01:48:47 ] nye 2k > is that the ping?
[ 2013.12.16 01:50:54 ] Onictus > yeah Goonsjabber
[ 2013.12.16 01:51:21 ] Onictus > from Mittens no less
[ 2013.12.16 01:51:47 ] Onictus > This is going to get silly
[ 2013.12.16 01:52:03 ] Onictus > well more silly
[ 2013.12.16 01:54:15 ] nye 2k > if goons can get there supers on the pos edge...they could win
[ 2013.12.16 01:54:55 ] Onictus > so yeah on a day of rage pings that was the ragiest lol


Yup, we were trying to crash and extract.


You seem like a rational person attempting to be honest with your post. That is appreciated.

When my friends in N3 text me and say: "Dude, hit up twitch. We are dropping the hammer." I don't jump to the conclusion that those titan's randomly appeared on grid through no fault of their own. I could be wrong but I assume that each of those pilots right clicked their capacitor and hit "jump to X".

Using the same process, when I watch senior goon leadership screaming to crash the node. I assume that they XXX(against forum rules to describe)XXX and when the node finally gives I jump to the wild conclusion that the order to crash the node and the node crash are somehow related.

I also don't think your report that Mittens planned to drop the hammer is accurate. Even his own personal propoganda arm stated that he ordered his capitals to stay logged off:

http://themittani.com/news/ostfront-breaking-news-capital-clash-dy

I think Mitten's ping was clearly geared towards helping DBRB crash the node as quickly as posssible.
Pinky Hops
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#56 - 2013-12-18 21:23:11 UTC
CCP's plan seems to be to ban people who encourage this kind of behavior as an example to others.

https://twitter.com/Dabigredboat/status/413399674280615937

Lol

Maliciously stressing the nodes isn't cool, kids.

Don't get banned. Fight it out like men, instead.
Kate stark
#57 - 2013-12-18 21:27:44 UTC
how to stop 2000 pilots piling in to one server? ban them.
nice.

Yay, this account hasn't had its signature banned. or its account, if you're reading this.
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#58 - 2013-12-18 21:31:57 UTC
Oh well thats entirely convincing in every way

Definately super-real

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#59 - 2013-12-18 21:32:55 UTC
Pinky Hops wrote:
CCP's plan seems to be to ban people who encourage this kind of behavior as an example to others.

https://twitter.com/Dabigredboat/status/413399674280615937

Lol

Maliciously stressing the nodes isn't cool, kids.

Don't get banned. Fight it out like men, instead.

Boat couldn't possibly be trolling you, oh no.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Pinky Hops
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#60 - 2013-12-18 21:38:00 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Boat couldn't possibly be trolling you, oh no.


Yes. Perhaps he will never login again to maintain his troll.

A self-inflicted ban to pretend that he is actually banned.

Seems intelligent. Sounds like the kind of thing a goon would do.