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CCP what's your plan for node crashing

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Beekeeper Bob
Beekeepers Anonymous
#21 - 2013-12-17 19:46:42 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Soldarius wrote:
Or maybe CCP can simply ban the players involved when it can be confirmed that they were intentionally trying to crash the node.

What's next is we'll be seeing rumors about DBRB being banned from EVE.
And then he'll stream again and the forum trolls will be butthurt.


There will always be trolls. But I think you overrate the amount of concern that people have over Mittani's pets and mouthpieces...

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James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#22 - 2013-12-17 19:47:48 UTC
Beekeeper Bob wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Soldarius wrote:
Or maybe CCP can simply ban the players involved when it can be confirmed that they were intentionally trying to crash the node.

What's next is we'll be seeing rumors about DBRB being banned from EVE.
And then he'll stream again and the forum trolls will be butthurt.


There will always be trolls. But I think you overrate the amount of concern that people have over Mittani's pets and mouthpieces...

This coming from a guy who calls himself "Beekeeper Bob".

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Red Teufel
Calamitous-Intent
#23 - 2013-12-17 19:50:35 UTC
I herd the Yule-lads are on it!
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#24 - 2013-12-17 19:53:53 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Beekeeper Bob wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Soldarius wrote:
Or maybe CCP can simply ban the players involved when it can be confirmed that they were intentionally trying to crash the node.

What's next is we'll be seeing rumors about DBRB being banned from EVE.
And then he'll stream again and the forum trolls will be butthurt.

There will always be trolls. But I think you overrate the amount of concern that people have over Mittani's pets and mouthpieces.

This coming from a guy who calls himself "Beekeeper Bob".

boat being banned from eve huh

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Prince Kobol
#25 - 2013-12-17 20:20:57 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Prince Kobol wrote:
Red Teufel wrote:
I'm wondering what is CCPs long term plan to fix the node crashingQuestion

Put the fingers in their ears and go "nah nah nah nah nah nah"

BATMAN!


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Rekon X
Doomheim
#26 - 2013-12-17 20:24:47 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Red Teufel wrote:
I'm wondering what is CCPs long term plan to fix the node crashingQuestion

Well for starters they have to fix whatever bug was introduced in Rubicon that's causing them to happen more often.

They have confirmed that there is such a bug and that they're working on it.


The bug is goonz are losing.

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Rekon X
Doomheim
#27 - 2013-12-17 20:25:50 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Beekeeper Bob wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Soldarius wrote:
Or maybe CCP can simply ban the players involved when it can be confirmed that they were intentionally trying to crash the node.

What's next is we'll be seeing rumors about DBRB being banned from EVE.
And then he'll stream again and the forum trolls will be butthurt.


There will always be trolls. But I think you overrate the amount of concern that people have over Mittani's pets and mouthpieces...

This coming from a guy who calls himself "Beekeeper Bob".


Intelligence just spews from this one.

Definition of goon - a stupid person Those who can do, those who can't spew
NickSuccorso
Canadian Bacon.
Honorable Third Party
#28 - 2013-12-17 20:38:08 UTC
Why exactly should CCP overlook this fisaco? They have issued bans for actions that affected far less players than Goonswarms actions this weekend. If CCP chooses to change the EULA to allow attacks specifically targeting their hardware in response, that is fine. However as it stands right now intentional attacks on CCPs hardware are against the EULA and should be dealt with very seriously.

There were thousands of players involved in running mining bots in empire. Thousands of permenant bans were issued. There were thousands of people involved in the node crash DBRB ordered. The same standard should apply to them. CCP needs to send a clear message to the community that intentionally targeting their hardware is not acceptable.
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#29 - 2013-12-17 21:58:07 UTC
So was there something done other than moving a large number of people into the system that caused it to crash? I keep hearing about some intentional act which allowed players to specifically crash the node but details are not exactly forthcoming.
Pinky Hops
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#30 - 2013-12-17 22:00:34 UTC
Tyberius Franklin wrote:
So was there something done other than moving a large number of people into the system that caused it to crash? I keep hearing about some intentional act which allowed players to specifically crash the node but details are not exactly forthcoming.


http://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/1t3375/dy_goonfleet_loggs_352am/
Rekon X
Doomheim
#31 - 2013-12-17 22:00:41 UTC
NickSuccorso wrote:
Why exactly should CCP overlook this fisaco? They have issued bans for actions that affected far less players than Goonswarms actions this weekend. If CCP chooses to change the EULA to allow attacks specifically targeting their hardware in response, that is fine. However as it stands right now intentional attacks on CCPs hardware are against the EULA and should be dealt with very seriously.

There were thousands of players involved in running mining bots in empire. Thousands of permenant bans were issued. There were thousands of people involved in the node crash DBRB ordered. The same standard should apply to them. CCP needs to send a clear message to the community that intentionally targeting their hardware is not acceptable.


Ban 'em all.

If they can't gank retrievers, they are useless.

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Rekon X
Doomheim
#32 - 2013-12-17 22:02:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Rekon X
Pinky Hops wrote:
Tyberius Franklin wrote:
So was there something done other than moving a large number of people into the system that caused it to crash? I keep hearing about some intentional act which allowed players to specifically crash the node but details are not exactly forthcoming.


http://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/1t3375/dy_goonfleet_loggs_352am/


They admitted it in another thread also.

Ban, Ban, Ban, and permaban.

I'm sure ccp has logs of all this.

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Prince Kobol
#33 - 2013-12-17 22:45:41 UTC
Here is the problem CCP have.

Let just say for argument sakes that DBRB did order his dreads log on /off repeatedly and all Domi pilots to launch their drones, what can CCP do?

Launching drones is fine, CCP can not ban anybody for giving the order of launching drones, from here on in every fleet that uses drones boats will just be reported, it would be a stupid move on CCP part say the least.

I am sure that some part of this was CFC trying to show CCP that there is a major issue with drones, well we already know this lol.

The second issue of dreads logging in and out, here is the thing, anybody who has been in large fleet fight where TiDi is at 10% and you are getting hit by lag, logging off / on is a something you can do when you mods get stuck.

I have flow logi many times in 10% + Lag and sometimes a couple of my reppers have become totally non-responsive. As in other reppers will cycle were as othera will just red flash for a completely random amount time, log off / on does fix this.

So it all depends on context.

Now of course CCP have more information then anybody here does and it they feel that it was a deliberate move on DBRB's to crash the node I have no doubt he will be banned, I just can't see them having conclusive proof to ban him as both of his instructions are valid.
Rekon X
Doomheim
#34 - 2013-12-18 02:51:18 UTC
Prince Kobol wrote:
Here is the problem CCP have.

Let just say for argument sakes that DBRB did order his dreads log on /off repeatedly and all Domi pilots to launch their drones, what can CCP do?

Launching drones is fine, CCP can not ban anybody for giving the order of launching drones, from here on in every fleet that uses drones boats will just be reported, it would be a stupid move on CCP part say the least.

I am sure that some part of this was CFC trying to show CCP that there is a major issue with drones, well we already know this lol.

The second issue of dreads logging in and out, here is the thing, anybody who has been in large fleet fight where TiDi is at 10% and you are getting hit by lag, logging off / on is a something you can do when you mods get stuck.

I have flow logi many times in 10% + Lag and sometimes a couple of my reppers have become totally non-responsive. As in other reppers will cycle were as othera will just red flash for a completely random amount time, log off / on does fix this.

So it all depends on context.

Now of course CCP have more information then anybody here does and it they feel that it was a deliberate move on DBRB's to crash the node I have no doubt he will be banned, I just can't see them having conclusive proof to ban him as both of his instructions are valid.


Permaban the weasels.

Definition of goon - a stupid person Those who can do, those who can't spew
Xavier Higdon
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#35 - 2013-12-18 03:19:01 UTC
Prince Kobol wrote:
Here is the problem CCP have.

Let just say for argument sakes that DBRB did order his dreads log on /off repeatedly and all Domi pilots to launch their drones, what can CCP do?

Launching drones is fine, CCP can not ban anybody for giving the order of launching drones, from here on in every fleet that uses drones boats will just be reported, it would be a stupid move on CCP part say the least.

I am sure that some part of this was CFC trying to show CCP that there is a major issue with drones, well we already know this lol.

The second issue of dreads logging in and out, here is the thing, anybody who has been in large fleet fight where TiDi is at 10% and you are getting hit by lag, logging off / on is a something you can do when you mods get stuck.

I have flow logi many times in 10% + Lag and sometimes a couple of my reppers have become totally non-responsive. As in other reppers will cycle were as othera will just red flash for a completely random amount time, log off / on does fix this.

So it all depends on context.

Now of course CCP have more information then anybody here does and it they feel that it was a deliberate move on DBRB's to crash the node I have no doubt he will be banned, I just can't see them having conclusive proof to ban him as both of his instructions are valid.


While I agree that banning people for using drones would be idiotic, arguing you only used an exploit to show it existed is even worse. CCP doesn't need to be shown that purposely stressing the servers... stresses the servers. Any middle school kid can tell you that. So no, players shouldn't be banned for launching drones. Purposely stressing the server to facilitate a crash, even if you cry about how you just wanted to help, should result in a forced leave of absence. After all, I don't think anyone is unaware that increased server load causes issues such as lag, desynch and crashes. In fact, there are countless threads complaining about this, proving that it's a well known issue which does not require any more publicity.
Cato Black
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#36 - 2013-12-18 03:30:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Cato Black
Before my old character left GSF I remember that DBRB was not allowed to FC cap fleets, so how exactly is he able to command the dreads to log off and back on? I don't know about you, but I would be listening to my FC, not boat, when my 2 bil+ isk ship was on the line.

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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#37 - 2013-12-18 03:44:36 UTC
Cato Black wrote:
Before my old character left GSF I remember that DBRB was not allowed to FC cap fleets, so how exactly is he able to command the dreads to log off and back on? I don't know about you, but I would be listening to my FC, not boat, when my 2 bil+ isk ship was on the line.

Boat got all his FC keys taken away after Asakai, haha.

Because of jumping into lowsec in supers, rite

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Lady Areola Fappington
#38 - 2013-12-18 03:44:52 UTC
The level of grrgoons as of late has been kind of high, honestly.

I'm going to meta the metagame and speculate that Goons are intentionally playing up the "intentional node crash" conspiracy via alts while trying to make it look like their enemies are the ones complaining. That way, the metagame looks like it's goon enemies slinging mud out of fear over OmegaFleet. Goon enemies become demoralized, won't log in, culture victory.


It's layers within layers man, who knows how deep the rabbit hole goes.

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Cato Black
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#39 - 2013-12-18 03:48:59 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Cato Black wrote:
Before my old character left GSF I remember that DBRB was not allowed to FC cap fleets, so how exactly is he able to command the dreads to log off and back on? I don't know about you, but I would be listening to my FC, not boat, when my 2 bil+ isk ship was on the line.

Boat got all his FC keys taken away after Asakai, haha.

Because of jumping into lowsec in supers, rite



Well, I wasn't going to come right out and say Asakai :p

I sold my old char and bought this because grrr Nullsec, not grrrr goons, so I wanted to maintain at least a modicum of nicety.

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James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#40 - 2013-12-18 03:49:18 UTC  |  Edited by: James Amril-Kesh
Cato Black wrote:
Before my old character left GSF I remember that DBRB was not allowed to FC cap fleets, so how exactly is he able to command the dreads to log off and back on? I don't know about you, but I would be listening to my FC, not boat, when my 2 bil+ isk ship was on the line.

http://www.reddit.com/r/Eve/comments/1t3375/dy_goonfleet_loggs_352am/ce4384x
Vily (a capital FC unlike Boat) wrote:
i know its gonna interrupt your spin session, but boat wasn't in charge of anything save bombers.

Everyone in caps knows not to take boats orders.

I am curios as to when these logs are from in the span of the battle. As i dont remember us having a mixed domi/dreadfleet at any point.

anyways, as one of the 3 people actually making decisions for CFC, i can safely say we talked about node crashes, implications on the battle etc. but at no point did we actually say "we gots to crash the node bros"

Enjoying the rain today? ;)