Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I hear the same question over and over "Where are all the asteroids?" in help and local chat.

Let's get the ISK farmers out of career and starting systems - they deliberately make the new player experience harder.

There is enough exploitation when it comes to market orders as it is (whistles innocently).

This game cannot survive without a steady influx of new players. More cheap minerals means cheap ships!

It's simple enough - reply and put your +1 here (or -1 if you are a hater).

Although I do condemn botting, I am of the opinion that space belongs to everyone. I wont endorse splitting the universe up in zones for different types of players. I also believe it is good for new players to mingle with older player as soon as possible. EVE just isn't a fun single player experience. When they meet friends early on chances of them subscribing after trial become much bigger. An added bonus is they will learn to play that much faster.

Fly Safe o/

edit: Personally, I believe enough initiatives to make life easier on new players have been taken. Pampering them will have an adverse effect later on. Starting a new toon has already become way easier then it was years ago.

" this is a clear examples of activities that force players out into other systems where they are legitimate targets"

And that is bad?

I wouldn't blame botters for newbie systems being farmed out. Blame the newbies.

Seriously.

Botters know there are more lucrative systems to farm even counting the occasional suicide gank. Newbies stick in the newbie systems and farm the place out because they are afraid to venture forth.

Venture forth. Go die a few times, learn it is no big deal. And go mine a real system.

you can also do missions and mine those. Asteroids aren't the only places to farm mats.

I see nothing about botters in the OP.

I'm a newbie that got past that hurdle. Barely.

A lot of these replies shows a distinct lack of perspective.

"Just go to another solar system..."

"Risk losing your Venture, it'll be a good learning experience..."

Yeah, Bu!!Sh!t. A newbie that is doing the career tutorials has NO CLUE about anything. For example, I was told to fly to an asteroid belt and mine some ore. So I went to many asteroid belts and spent to much time to admit without being embarrassed trying to find an asteroid. I fooled around with my graphics settings. I fooled around with my Overview. I didn't even know then that I could fly manually, so I spent so much time zooming in and out, panning around in all directions so I could find an asteroid to be able to fly towards.

Because, in what game EVER, has a tutorial sent you to an area where the thing you need to find is not actually there? The newbie doesn't understand that someone else may have mined it all and there's nothing left. The newbie figures, this is where I was told to go, so if I don't see what I'm here to get, there's something wrong on my end. So they waste time. Get frustrated. In all my time learning EVE so far, this one issue is one that I found to be unacceptable.

I am not advocating kicking people out of "newbie" systems. At the very least, if you fly into an asteroid belt after being instructed to do so, and there are no asteroids, you should get a tutorial message saying,

• "You do not see any asteroids here because there are none left. You will have to fly to another asteroid belt in this solar system. And if there are none there, you may have to fly to other solar systems."

In response to some of the other comments:

- Blame the newbies? Yeah, those newbies flying Ventures with 5000m3 ore holds who have no clue about jet can mining without industrial (trial accounts can't even train industrials!!!) ships capable of hauling more than the Venture can carry, with civilian mining lasers and level 1 skills are the ones stripping ALL the asteroid belts in a solar system. What a completely ignorant post. -1 internetz for you.

- Losing a Venture is no big deal? If a trial account, or even a subscribed newbie decides to focus on mining and hasn't done the other combat missions that try to let you know that losing a ship is normal and no big deal, who then flies out and gets ganked... Well he doesn't have a ship anymore. He figures he can't finish his mission. He may not even know how to buy another ship yet. And he's faced with a failed mission.


Whatever. I've done missions where I got junk ores that wasn't part of the EVE economy. Why couldn't the starter (career training) areas have asteroid field full of this junk ore? Completely useless except to finish a mining mission.

Somehow, I'm sure those asteroid fields would still get mined because I've come to realize that EVE players have a mentality of making the game as hard to learn as possible. That last bit may sound like tears to most of you, but I managed to get past the established players stupidity hurdle and am playing with my own goals and plans in mind. I like the concept of EVE, however I see the established player base harassing legit newbies because they suffered their own form of hazing when they started out. It's all stupid, and costs CCP potential income, which is what gets my knickers in a bunch.

True newbies need instruction. At the very least they need to be told "there are no more asteroids here, you need to go to another solar system." Otherwise, they figure THEY did something wrong and WASTE time trying to figure out what that something is. When they finally learn (if they do) that a mission sent you to an asteroid belt that didn't contain what you were sent to get, then THEY BLAME THE GAME. They decide the game is buggy. They decide the game is poorly designed. And so on.

How would a rookie KNOW to petition being ganked?

In my eyes, they quit the game because they don't understand the mechanics. No need to lead them by the hand. But you do have to EXPLAIN what is going on.

I play games to explore. That means, what I find fun is: learning and discovery. I am not part of a corp (yet!) because I still have so much to learn and do still. That does not mean I will NEVER be part of a corp. Once the solo thing gets boring, I'll progress to group type play styles to keep things fresh.

What you are advocating is having a corp or just a random hold my hand and lead me along. How is that any different?

You are right, I have not been in a rookie system since the day I finished doing my career tutorials. Well, other than to buy skill books that is. Personally, I find resorting to asking Local chat to tell me what to do a failure. I like figuring things out. I did in the end ask in Local how to get out of my jam. And I was told to fly two systems over to do my mining. And I did, the whole time thinking, "that's stupid game design".

As to your solution: What if a newbie is trying to find an asteroid to mine, and there is no "veteran" in Local at that particular time? Your solution is a Band-Aid, not a solution.

EDIT:

Even if the rookie jumps into the local asteroid belt and there are asteroids to mine, Aura (or whatever the tutorial's AI name is) should STILL pop up and let you know that it's possible there may not be any asteroids in the belt, and that in those cases, it is necessary to go to another asteroid belt in this solar system, or possibly even in other solar systems.

Dead easy to code. Nothing complicated.

Please, enlighten me where in my post I said that you should join a corp.

Please, do.


I said...be SOCIAL.

You do know you can talk people who are not in your corp???

With your reasoning...

Aura should pop up if all manufacturing slots are busy.
Aura should pop up if all research slots are taken.
Aura should pop up if a certain ship or module isn't available in system.


Ergo...your idea is class A hand holding...EVE isn't that kind of game.
EVE requires you to do some research or ask for help. If you fail at those 2 simple things, maybe EVE isn't the game for you.