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To my brother carebears -- consider living in low/null sec.

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Garbad theWeak
#1 - 2011-11-22 18:06:14 UTC
Like many of you, I spent my first several months living in 0.0 mostly running missions. Eventually I minmaxed my way through missions, and was earning a healthy 80mil or so per hour running l4 missions. I knew the system, and could do this forever. But eventually I decided to give null and low sec a chance, to see what it was like. It was the best decision I ever made.

Here's my take on a few of the main areas (ignoring incursions, wormhole, and sov 0.0):

NPC null sec

NPC null is almost always "owned" by an alliance. Yet because they can't stop you from docking you can either ignore and avoid them or join them.

NPC null missions can pay very well. The missions are basically the same as high sec, and you can either run them in an unprobable tengu or in a regular ship when there is no hostiles about (obviously much easier as a member of a corp). I earned about 250m an hour running for true power and later angels. One of the biggest challenges is moving stuff in and out to markets, and there you have to either rely on your corp or get a carrier. Conventional haulers are fodder.

Good profit potential, risk is high but manageable. If you ever jump gates, you either need a scout or an interdiction nullifier. But other than that, its no risker than low sec but tends to have much better and larger gangs.

NPC low sec:

The vast majority of low sec is not worth being in. Rewards are not sufficiently larger to justify the increased risk. Yet for all that, its underutilized and thus ripe to exploit if you can find a way. The only real use I found in low sec was level 5 agents. With a small gang/dual boxing these missions can be run efficiently, safely, and profitable (I was around 250m to 300m an hour based on how well I cherry picked missions). It was a nice introduction to pvp life with relatively low risk and low barriers to entry, and is also suitable for a casual foray as a corp.

Overall I think low sec is pretty worthless. But just remember -- covops cloak on any ship means you are 99% safe on gates. Cloak + MWD means you are ~90% safe. With proper use of safes, unprobable fits as needed, and so on the risk is really pretty manageable.

FW low sec:

FW features smaller gangs and more allies in general, so its a decent place to get your feet wet if you are interested in pvp. But make no mistake, the FW vets will use every bullshiat trick in the book -- station games, nuet reppers, capitals, the works. Just don't expect equal fights, because no matter how pvpers whine its never about the fun of the fight and aways about the easy kill.

FW also has level 4 missions that can be run in a stealth bomber. These missions are a bit tricky at first, but once you get the system down you can earn 150 mil or so an hour without all that much risk (worst case, you pop a 40m stealth bomber). Plexes are literally worthless, don't bother.

But FW overall is a good taste of pvp lite while also allowing some decently profitable mission running. Its a good halfway house.

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That's my honest take. The risk is there, but its a lot lower than fearmongers act like. Personally, I thought it was worth trying to figure out. You will lose ships, but fly basic T2 fit drakes/ravens/so on until you get a hang of it, and its really no big deal. And imo, it made the game a lot more interesting.
Ulina Olmav
Doomheim
#2 - 2011-11-22 22:12:52 UTC
Honestly, any kind of mission is absolute shite. I'd rather belt rat or run mediocre complexes than chain myself to a station all day asking massa agent how he like his cotton pick'd.

Of course most risk-averse bears I know don't care about what's interesting. They simply want the most isk/hr they can muster without risking their ship.
Garbad theWeak
#3 - 2011-11-22 22:14:48 UTC
Ulina Olmav wrote:
Honestly, any kind of mission is absolute shite. I'd rather belt rat or run mediocre complexes than chain myself to a station all day asking massa agent how he like his cotton pick'd.

Of course most risk-averse bears I know don't care about what's interesting. They simply want the most isk/hr they can muster without risking their ship.
Its pretty hard to argue anything is more boring than ratting.
1-Up Mushroom
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#4 - 2011-11-22 23:05:47 UTC
Garbad theWeak wrote:
Ulina Olmav wrote:
Honestly, any kind of mission is absolute shite. I'd rather belt rat or run mediocre complexes than chain myself to a station all day asking massa agent how he like his cotton pick'd.

Of course most risk-averse bears I know don't care about what's interesting. They simply want the most isk/hr they can muster without risking their ship.
Its pretty hard to argue anything is more boring than ratting.

I'd rat over mission anyday. At least with ratting, you have a chance for a faction spawn a few times a day plus watching your wallet increase
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Pappy McGee
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#5 - 2011-11-23 03:38:39 UTC
I do find ratting to be generally preferable to missioning; no frustrations of docking, redocking, switching mods, plotting routes. Just warp to anomaly and start shooting. Finish up, warp alt in with Noctis and warp main out to the next. Rinse, repeat, profit.

However... I can't help but sneer at anyone holding out hopes for that elusive faction spawn. Running the odd site here and there over the past few weeks, I've cleared about a hundred of them, and seen not even one.
Dunbar Hulan
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#6 - 2011-11-23 15:20:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Dunbar Hulan
Ratting in null is very lucrative,but you have to be very careful, there are people in those systems who will hang near the belts looking for a quick take down.
Just remember this- Always keep an eye on the local channel and always keep your D-scan open, learn how to become very good at operating the D-scan. Most of the people you will see in local in null are passing through to another system, however, if you see someone on local for a period of time, then assume that they are looking for you.
Earlier this week (Monday) I was in 5E-VR8 running an Angel mission in a Tengu, one guy on local, two mins later- 5 guys on local, all in the same corp, quick check of d-scan and there's a bunch of sisters combat probes out, local went up to 7, then local spiked to 17, all the same corp. I got out np, but just wanted to illustrate how an "Innocent " looking local nuet on local can mean much more.
Next Month I am going to run black ops into mission belts to hunt the folks who hunt the ratters :) Nothing like the hunters becoming the hunted- good times hopefully :)

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Glarrion
Minner Alliance
#7 - 2011-11-23 19:08:26 UTC
Dunbar Hulan wrote:
Ratting in null is very lucrative,but you have to be very careful, there are people in those systems who will hang near the belts looking for a quick take down.
Just remember this- Always keep an eye on the local channel and always keep your D-scan open, learn how to become very good at operating the D-scan. Most of the people you will see in local in null are passing through to another system, however, if you see someone on local for a period of time, then assume that they are looking for you.
Earlier this week (Monday) I was in 5E-VR8 running an Angel mission in a Tengu, one guy on local, two mins later- 5 guys on local, all in the same corp, quick check of d-scan and there's a bunch of sisters combat probes out, local went up to 7, then local spiked to 17, all the same corp. I got out np, but just wanted to illustrate how an "Innocent " looking local nuet on local can mean much more.
Next Month I am going to run black ops into mission belts to hunt the folks who hunt the ratters :) Nothing like the hunters becoming the hunted- good times hopefully :)



yeach - dscan is the way of life - but to be sure for a good unprobable tengu you need ~2-3 bil isk and 10 + mil SP .... iam still carebear - played total about half year - recentlu returned after a year break ... lwsec is not easy . 0.0 is hard but in either way you need trusted corp/alliance for now i live in friendly 0.5 ;p hauling stuff around, missioning . tomorrow tengu , in 3 days covop on alt ... then fleet skill - next year - 0.0

eve need good micro and macro management ... and huge knowledge what you really need
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#8 - 2011-11-23 19:48:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Jenn aSide
Of course I'll jump on the same bandwagon lol. To each his own (I should have that tattooed to my backside lol), but I can't see going back to hi-sec full time to run missions. Incursions maybe, but not missions. They are tedious as hell. Knowing what I now now, it's hard to see why others do it.

There are literally dozens if not hundreds of carebear renter corps out there that do not require you to pvp at all, they just want the massive isk intake that comes from people ratting and paying 5-10% corp tax. A good pve renter corp will help you with logistics (ie moving stuff from empire and moving fat deadspace lootz back to market), provide for system defense and not put any demands on your time.

Not a bad deal to not have to ever dock, talk to an agent, refit ship for different rats, or leave system unless it's for an escalation that will at the very least pay for itself with overseers effects. And there is variety too, some days I do sanctums, some days havens, some days forsaken hubs, or go out scanning for plexes.

I ran missions for the 1st 2 years of my eve life and still have a mission running alt in empire just for kicks (or when I'm away from my home desktop comp, my laptop is ancient lol), but Jesus H is it so very tedious. Sure, a red/neutral in system can stop everything, which is why good renter alliances have multiple systems and access to the landlord's jump bridges lol

I think the big draw of null sec anoms is the gambling aspect, it's a rush to see a factions spawn or get the escalation pop up. I've had 2 10/10s this week , and it's just Wednesday :)
1-Up Mushroom
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#9 - 2011-11-23 20:21:30 UTC
Dunbar Hulan wrote:
Ratting in null is very lucrative,but you have to be very careful, there are people in those systems who will hang near the belts looking for a quick take down.
Just remember this- Always keep an eye on the local channel and always keep your D-scan open, learn how to become very good at operating the D-scan. Most of the people you will see in local in null are passing through to another system, however, if you see someone on local for a period of time, then assume that they are looking for you.
Earlier this week (Monday) I was in 5E-VR8 running an Angel mission in a Tengu, one guy on local, two mins later- 5 guys on local, all in the same corp, quick check of d-scan and there's a bunch of sisters combat probes out, local went up to 7, then local spiked to 17, all the same corp. I got out np, but just wanted to illustrate how an "Innocent " looking local nuet on local can mean much more.
Next Month I am going to run black ops into mission belts to hunt the folks who hunt the ratters :) Nothing like the hunters becoming the hunted- good times hopefully :)


Shoulda joined that corp Big smile
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Jared Falkenberg
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#10 - 2011-11-28 04:25:04 UTC
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Overall I think low sec is pretty worthless.


Low sec is a good place to run missions, but you have to think about what you're doing. Find a spot with a lot of good agents but not "on the way" to anywhere. Use a T1 ship to run your missions. Either bring it in with all the lows filled with stabs or build it on site. Turn down any missions that go to adjacent systems. Use a transport to move high-value loot you wan to sell in high sec.

If you've picked a good spot it will be easy to tell when somebody is trying to probe you out. Either dock up and wait for them to leave or sit at a mission beacon with a smart bomber to pod the interceptor. Normally if the system is almost deserted you won't have to wait long for pirates to move on.
ValentinaDLM
SoE Roughriders
Electus Matari
#11 - 2011-11-28 20:51:20 UTC
I am pretty much a carebear (sure I PVP, but I spend more time doing PVE) and I have lived in a great many places.

As far as ratting versus missions, ratting is nice, but you don't (usually) get slave sets ratting, sure I have had some nice implant drops from faction rats, but to be honest you are way better off chaining rats versus clearing belts, the extra chance of getting a faction spawn IMO isn't worth it.

Also, I respect the idea that it isn't all about the isk/hour ratio, I mean I like to use the Gila on missions and plexes from time to time, are there faster ships, of course, but efficiency isn't the reason why I play a video game.

As for the people who say there is no point in low sec, either you don't understand FW or you were doing it wrong. As for level Vs and such, I have to say it generally isn't worth it, but hey some people may consider getting neuted fun.
Cypher Decypher
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#12 - 2011-11-28 21:06:02 UTC
To your brother carebears..

Consider living in a C3. Much MUCH isk to be made..

And I will fly by invitation to an observation point, from which to admire your extraordinary isk/hr.

FloppieTheBanjoClown
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#13 - 2011-11-29 00:27:41 UTC
Exploration and wormholes. It can be tedious, but it's not nearly as monotonous as ratting OR missions. Good money even in C1s if you know what you're doing.

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Tenris Anis
Schattenengel Clan
#14 - 2011-11-29 06:56:25 UTC
Garbad theWeak wrote:
Ulina Olmav wrote:
Honestly, any kind of mission is absolute shite. I'd rather belt rat or run mediocre complexes than chain myself to a station all day asking massa agent how he like his cotton pick'd.

Of course most risk-averse bears I know don't care about what's interesting. They simply want the most isk/hr they can muster without risking their ship.
Its pretty hard to argue anything is more boring than ratting.

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