Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Speaking about faction, I think EOM would be kinda fitting into the "missile pirate ship" slot, although they are caldari/amarr same as sansha and that slot might be already pretty full as it is.

But their paintjobs are awesome and they do love to shoot missiles.

As far as missile bobnuses go - perhaps a proper dedicated torpedo boat. Something that can haul torps to ~120 km or so with all bonuses.

When I read comments like yours I begin to suspect that devs are secretly conducting subversion operations. I'm a fraking player of a fraking computer game and I want to have some fraking fun. The more ships I have the better. I don't even care if their only difference will be the ships model. That’s also great as I can chose which one I like the most. Sure devs spend time and effort to implement anything so it better be worth it. But apart from fixing obvious bugs, adding new content should be at the top of their list. We have no pirate missile ships, we want some pirate missile ships. I don’t really need a justification for that.

How about we simply finaly just get our Khanid Battleship? A black/silver Abaddon with Missile Slots and Damage Bonus instead of the Turret Slots and Damage Bonus.

U wouldnt even have to change the rest of the stats much.

Except that the rattlesnake isn't a missile ship. It's a drone ship with launcher slots. You can't point to the Rattlesnake and say "Look, people don't want shiny missile ships!" because it's not a missile ship. Obviously people don't need the rattlesnake if the dominix is filling the "powerful drone boat" role, since the Rattlesnake is a drone boat.

I would gladly pay a billion isk for a powerful missile ship, but one doesn't exist. As you go "up the chain" in missiles, you don't get more damage, just more application--which is often wasted if you're attacking battleship-sized opponents.

In fact, if you look at the missile battleships, there's only one battleship that does more paper damage than the Raven.
Looking at effective launchers for battleships:

Raven: 8 (6 * 1/.75)
CNR: 8 (8)
SNI: 8 (6 * 1/.75)
Widow: 6.67 (5 * 1/.75)
Golem: 8 (4 * 2)
TFI: 8.25 (6 * 1.375)
Typhoon: 8 (6 * 1/.75)
Armageddon: 5 (5)
Rattlesnake: 4 (4)

The TFI is the only "damage upgrade" from the Raven, and then only by .25 effective launchers. Everything else just gives you range or application (or both), but no more damage. In fact, depending on the available number of low slots, some of the supposed "upgrades" might do less missile damage than a Raven. And, if you notice, the Armageddon is more of a "missile battleship" than the Rattlesnake is, so yeah, no, the Rattlsnake isn't a missile battleship.

Compare to hybrids, for example:
Megathron: 9.33 (7 * 1/.75)
Navy Mega: 9.33 (7 * 1/.75)
Kronos: 10 ( 4 * 2 * 1.25)
Vindicator: 11 (8 * 1.375)

By that comparison, the problem becomes evident: all of the primarily missile battleships, regardless of Navy/Pirate/T2, do essentially the same amount of damage as the "starter" missile battleship, the Raven.

So yeah, I'd love to see a missile battleship with 9-10 effective launchers, and yes I'd pay a billion for it. And I suspect you'd find that the Rattlesnake would become more popular if it became a missile-based ship instead of drone-based, since then it would no longer be overshadowed by the much cheaper Dominix.

Any hope of my phantasm being tweaked into useful service anytime soon. :) ?

I know everyone loves Sansha laser boats, but the notion of Sansha being fast, armor-tanked missile boats really does seem more logical than Sansha being a copy of Blood Raiders without the neuting.

What if there was a Faction(s) that required more than 2 faction ship skills? Could this help make more desired pirate ships? Not necessarily better, but just more desired because of what they offer.

Also, I think balancing Guristas, obviously, could help with the missile problem/focus/whatever.

They were never fast. They used to be armor tanked, quite well armor tanked missile boats.

Some bonuses that maybe could work for the new faction ships, I made some new ones to spice it up a bit. Would like to see if others have some ideas besides these they feel could work.

Offensive bonuses:

Tracking disruptor bonus 10%
Target painter bonus 10%
Web range bonus range 10%
Explosion Sig/Vel bonus 5 - 10%
Adjustable MWD range if there is a small and medium version planed
Damage boost, 5 – 10% All/Thermal or Explosive?
Missile velocity/travel time boost 10%
Chance for missile to mini bump target of same class off align 1-5% would be like crit for guns.


Defensive bonuses:

Shield resistance 4%
Lowered Signature 5%
base Speed increase 5%
Shield boots 7.5%
Shield HP 10%
Shield regeneration 75 base points each level
Different resist profile for shields?
Armor tank instead off Shield?

they are nice ships especially my damnation brick... if only the curse was a proper khanid ship like a missile version of the blood raider line