EVE General Discussion

Actually I've been in many big fights involving several hundred ships before and after drones have been deployed on field. And on both reinforced and non-reinforced nodes. The node actually holds up quite well with not much tidi...until the drones come out.

I would imagine that if you took drones out of the equation, the node could probably handle 4k or 5k pilots before tidi maxes out. Maybe even more.

While I have no doubts this would prompt even more massive fleets than we see today, I think it would take some time go get it to that point. Probably more than enough time for CCP to implement new mechanics.

If we keep stealing the jita node for every timer fight that occurs on the weekend, the freighter pilots will hate us, you know

especially if the other side just blueballs ccp

It has been proposed before, but CCP should implement drone grouping. that is have the drones of your ship function as a single entity, as an option like with missiles, instead of multiple separate ones. The first time I saw the proposal was actually as a fix to drone AI problems, since the focus fire is unreliable against multiple targets engaging you and often splits your fire. If your drones could only have a single target, the issue could then at least be circumvented.

Tippia, youre blantantly trolling now, even Im getting annoyed with you. Just shut up for a bit will you, at least give it a few pages.

I was making a comment on the outcry of Jita having I think 30% TiDi on the day of the 6vdt fight because we had that node assigned to the 6vdt system for the battle.

Thus I was poking fun at the idea of endlessly taking their node for every one of the many many important timers, any of which could easily (with fairly high probability) escalate into a massive capital/supercapital engagement.

Thus implying the jita "population" would not be amused at facing TiDi everyday for the ... months that a grinding sov war might entail.

Thus, CCP might prefer to just not bother. Especially if enough fights end with blueballs.*

Thus, nodecrashing on the fights that are not blueballs will continue.


*This is also playing around with the idea of "why is some stupid nullsec ihub armor timer causing MY JITA to have 30% tidi today, and yesterday it was a stupid nullsec station timer. the day before that it was another ihub armor timer"**

**This is the application of no fun allowed in a highsec context, by proxy, due to constantly stealing "their" Jita node for "a small portion of players" to not crash the node on any given timer that might escalate.***

***Because even with dynamic reinforcement, you still have to keep the system on that node, therefore if the system is to be on the jita node at the fight, it has to be on the jita node at startup, ie: from the previous downtime.

That was pretty daft of you, don't you think? Wouldn't it have been much better to quote the part you were responding to?

So why are you angry at me? Or are you still not fully familiar with the concept of trolling then.

What I'm doing is collecting the unanswered questions, unfounded assertions, contradictory and inconsistent goals, and then reminding him of the parts he's desperately trying to avoid answering in his copy-paste trolling. You'll notice that, unlike him, I actually respond to his posts — the list of outstanding issues is just that: a list of outstanding issues that he needs to address if he doesn't want to be tossed out on his ears for being a troll.

I agree, that would be awful, because I rather enjoy employing words in their correct context and meaning.

Now, do you have anything to actually add to the topic at hand, or are you just going to take up the trolling baton now that the OP has given up, only you'll do it with irrelevant ad hominems rather than a failed copy-paste red herring tactic?

Hence the question.


I don't remember reading that Jita is anything other than a perma-reinforced node, so would it really matter? Or have they actually given it some special jungle juice to outperform normal reinforced nodes?

Please take alook at this article: http://themittani.com/features/behind-scenes-6vdt-ccp-veritas?page=0%2C1

for some details about Jita server




It doesn't discuss why Jita hit TiDi that day unlike other days if it was apparently still running on a core, but it was observed and commented on. I would imagine it may have been necessary to reduce the speed of the core running the Jita system process because the other three (especially the one running the 6vdt system process) were going at max output.

Yeah. CCP has some fancy stuff, indeed.

It would be amusing to see if a proper fight that had supers and stuff would somehow be even more stressful than 6VDT was. For example, it would have a lot more drones.

The focus on drones is fairly easy to understand though.

On the one hand, they're an obvious stuff-on-the-grid multiplier that is already on everyone's minds after a year of ever increasing drone assist popularity. This makes them an intuitive culprit for increased problems as fleets grow bigger.

On the other hand, drones remind of two lag fixes in the past that were rather successful: linked weapons and missile set-up improvements. As was the case with missiles, one of the issues with drones is that they're in-space objects that need to be set up and tracked individually and thus start to create all kinds of exponential interaction effects for the simulation. They also mean we have five (or so, on average — more for carriers but less for special-purpose ships) more guns that keep firing, which means they're not taking advantage of the increased efficiency of having linked weapon firing.

So even if it's not the silver bullet, it certainly feels like an area that could do with some serious optimisation and which could draw on previous optimisation techniques for ideas on what needs to be done. It looks “simple” in other words — if not exactly low-hanging fruit, then something you might only need a small:ish stepladder for.


BiB should help with the spikes that happen as people jump in, warp to grids, and explode, but something else will be needed for the kind of on-going effects of a prolonged fight. Granted, some of that might just be deferred “brain set-up” processing that continuously slow down the node, but that really comes down to what the source for the strain is.