Warfare & Tactics

no one says they aren't

Security status should not be about 'first strike' capabilities and punishments. It should be about criminal actions.

Factional Warfare is a completely different entity from DED sites, Asteroid Belts, and Relic sites. We have two huge nations at war with each other and are able to shoot at each other anywhere in space, high and low with no punishments. There are enemy NPCs which will shoot at you in your opponents high sec areas. And then you come to low-sec where two huge militias are battling over system control in plexes. This is a PvP activity. This is a warzone. There is literally no reason for a neutral to be in a FW plex other than to shoot you. And then I become a criminal because a neutral entity is piloting a multi-million dollar warship aggressively towards me in a battlefield.

People who do PvE activities in low-sec (DED/Relic/Ratting) are "civilians." They are not harming anyone else in the region. They do not affect anyone else in the region. They usually do not have PvP fits and are not looking for PvP. Of course it would be criminal action to shoot them. These are two separate concepts we're talking about.

Great question. Thanks for posting.

Motivation:
My motivation comes I guess from my circumstances. I’m a casual player. I’ve played long hours when I was younger but, not anymore.

To me Faction Warfare is the home of the end game and the casual game. Eve does not do a lot to encourage the bit-time player. When I log in I want to be able to enjoy the game at its best in a short amount of time. I want to be able to log on, fight or die and log off. Sometimes I have more time and I can do more.

FW is the place where you can PvP to your heart’s content without waiting for a fleet form up and without having to fly or bridge to the other side of the map. Null sec is what it is and it’s no longer a place for me (2004-2012).

I like the fact that neuts are roaming around trying to get “solo” or small fleet fights. My aim is not to discourage them, if it can be helped. However, a sec-hit everytime I engage one of these nice hard working PvP’ers is damaging to my enjoyment of the game and I believe it is slightly a combat suppressor.

Why? Each time I have to repair my sec status is slowly degrading this bitter vets willingness to log on. I no longer run three clients. I have one guy to do it all, to go to Amarr and shop to fly across high sec and to get close to even fights in FW low sec (ie: I want to remain above -5.0, preferably -2.0, so my sec status does need to be maintained).

I’m not spending large amounts of isk on tags. What isk I have will go on ships and weapons. So I will have to PvE to improve sec (and this means you have one less target to blow up). Despite assumptions made in this thread, I do not spend hours just farming LP (it is dull!) as I have limited game time.

I’ve thought about this suggestion a fair bit. I do not think I am asking for an advantage or that this would change the landscape of low-sec. I actually think that this will bring about additional balance.

A FW warfare plex is different from a DED low sec plex etc... How? I’ve already signed up to war. I’m not in low-sec to make extra isk/LP I’m here to defend and fight for my faction (the fact that there are farmers of LP in FW is down to another problem in FW not this).

Key: A target that has entered low-sec, to take advantage of higher reward by taking higher risk, is different from a FW target who has chosen a theatre of war (that happens to be low sec) in order to get a good mix of PvP/PvE.

I'm a supporter of changing the plex's so that they cannot be farmed with wcs and cloak.

With the status quo, I still have three choices:
1. Engage first and take a sec hit
2. Engage second and not take a sec hit but by pausing I may lose the fight (this has definitely happened so I lean to the first choice more often)
3. Warp out (where is the fun it that). I can go back when the neut leaves and hope a WT comes along next time. I won’t have to spend time fixing my sec status (it hovers around -1.9). However, this means I’ve lost an opportunity to PvP and so has my counterpart.
Option 3. is the last resort and is usually taken only when it is obvious a gank is about to be suffered (overwhelming numbers or clearly outclassed).


So my question would be:

For someone non-FW entering into a FW plex (therefore surely intending to pirate a target and initiate a suspect counter) why should a suspect flag be such a problem?

Funny how a suggestion, on something you don’t like, becomes an instant “whine” and requires a “Rant” from you.




Try giving a PoV that does not make so many assumptions about the original posters motive.

So do you view the change as so dramatic that it would change the landscape of neutrals roaming low sec for solo / skirmish PvP? So far I’ve seen no justification from you.




This might be an alternative worth considering but, it does not account for the possible allied Militia vs allied Militia aggression that would force everyone in FW to change behaviour (and overview) so as not to trust anyone in their own or allied militia.

Uhm, who is your post targeted towards? People that don't PVP and/or Live in Lowsec?

Why you guys no like to be pies?

You vex my plex, while I try to loot wrecks?

I thought, I shot, though I ought not.

My sec status hit, now it ****.

But makes my killboard pretty, so I write this ditty.

French.

Fries.

We were discussing fw plex mechanics regarding sec hits for engaging non-FW targets.

You were bloviating about yourself as it were relevant or anyone cared.
But that's par for the course for Heretics so, meh.

Do to recent events, I was thinking about joining FW. After reading this post I will not.

If you are a cop or soldier, your invested with confidence and authority. Your word against an officer is barely valid if they conflict in RL. Not sure why someone in FW would get a sec hit if they attacked first in a disputed area in a war zone. When it happens in RL, soldiers or police are given the benefit of the doubt when they draw and shoot a threatening person first.

If there is a SWAT team trying to break into a building where terrorists are, and you show up beside them with your favorite rifle, you would be instantly shot, and no police officer or soldier would lose their job, pay, or any respect for doing so. They had every reason to believe the only reason you are there is to hurt them. If your in FW, you are commissioned.

CCP would have to tweak this IMO, to make it more realistic. Does that mean a FW pilot can wait on the route to Jita and blow up a hauler and claim duress? Let's be reasonable...It should apply to certain areas 'owned' by faction warfare as a 'jurisdiction', of a contested system.

I would not take the job of a cop, if I had to actually be stabbed before I could react to a person who by being present, makes himself suspiscious. Without being reprimanded or being placed on leave pending an investigation into by aggressive acts by acting first to a menacing situation. I will not be enlisting in any militia either now...

no

Engage first or wait for them to do it. Or send duel invitation. 70% of time I dont have to take sec status hit. Its still lowsec, even if we are in fw. Shoot few belt rats now and then. Or go roam in 0.0.