Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Its where super short range new high slot device is made for. Swiss pocket knife. Optimal is 100 meters and it goes straight to module HP, ignoring the shields / armor.

I've been in a small frigate gang (8 of us) when we were in faction wars a while ago. We were doing a little roam when we stumbled on a friendly structure bashing fleet returning after flipping a system. An enemy fleet was late in stopping them flip the system but they engaged them anyway to try and get some kills. The fight kicked off just as my fleet landed in amongst the two flarge fleets. I was the FC of my gang and I figured we could be useful as an autonomous wing of frigates looking for soft targets amongst the group of enemies, mainly their EWAR support and fast tackle so I started calling primaries.

We were sucessful at killing a few fast tackle and forcing the enemy EWAR support off the field but they kept yo-yo'ing back and forth back on the field forcing us to MWD everywhere. The fight was also quickly escalating around us as both sides were dropping cyno's and capitals were entering the field. I started to struggle to find suitable soft targets and asked my fleet mates to help locate a target. One shouted "SHOOT THE AEON!!" which I still laugh at when I think about it today (even though I did tag it with my railguns, you know, just in case). Another told me to arrange my overview by range and call targets which were close to which I explained traveling at over 2 and a 1/2 kilometers per second made my overview dance like a ferret being electrocuted.

Anyways..... fight continued. both sides took some losses. Was some of the best fun I've had in game and I was in a T1 frigate flying between capital ships.

TL;DR.... Frigates have a role in large fleet fights. Hint: it's not shooting at capitals (but tag them to get on the killmail to be a killmailwhore and all)

I think every capital ship should have a tunnel (that can fit either a frigate, torpedo, or maybe a drone) that goes directly to a critical system like a power core. If that power core is hit, the capital ship instantly blows up. Then frigates will be useful in capital ship warfare.

That's a massive nerf to armour tanking. And it STILL doesn't explain why a 200mm bullet can do what a doomsday, or even a 3500mm shell can't.

No, no, no and no (in that order). Frigates already have enough advantages against larger ships like Battlecruisers and Battleships without needing to add Capitals to the list. I appreciate that people love running their Frigates in Faction Warfare - but that medium was designed expressly for this. As I stated earlier, if anything ships (and Frigates in particular) should start being subject to damage from collisions.

Frigates engage other frigates,
Destroyers Screen Frigates
Cruisers engage other cruisers
etc

Ships tend to engage ships of their own class because that's what their weapons are most effective against. There was a time in eve when fleets massed up with practically every ship class they could muster for the above reasons. I haven't been asked to fly tackle in years :( so the real issue is balance.

Battleships are vulnerable to smaller ships that their guns cant track that well hence the need for smaller screening ships to defend them whilst they engage other battleships. When everything works properly you get really good fleet fights consisting of battles within battles as the different tiers of ships engage each other. I think battleships and bigger need to be a bit more tankier though as they shouldn't be vulnerable to a single frigate with a web and scram and unlimited ammo. Groups of small ships swamping a big one makes sense though, but my main point is that Battleships are underpowered for ships of the line.

The idea is that this ammunition is specialy designed to damage high slot modules, it cant damage the capital itself.
The counter? Since the frigates need to get very close i suppose smartbombs can be pretty devastating to frigs.

Other ships can also fit smartbombs like bs's
And it is not like the smartbombs are instandly destroyted when the frigates attack. Remember the special ammunition does randomy damage a module on the high slot. You will not have control which highslot you attack.

Look, the idea is that frigates can be used for a counter against a captial blob. And capitals should not be heading out without support of smaller ships
A example:

A large slowcat Capital fleet jumps in a system to take down a pos or other sov structures, they start spidertanking so it will be very difficult to take them down even with dreads in siege.
The defending fleet warps in with a large fleet of frigates and they start destroying the Capital remote repair modules. Unless the attacking fleet has brought counters against those frigs they are screwed. The defending frigates still do not have enough dps to actualy take down the capitals. For that a different fleet of other capitals or bs is used but, they will need far less dps to take the enemy capital fleet down than normal as the enemy fleet has lost its logistics.
The attacking fleet could have prepaired against a attack of frigates by taking logistic frigs with them to repair the modules and other counters against frigs (destroyers, smartbombs, etc)

I like where your going with this +1

Ahhh, try this

Bomb launcher for non bombers only send the device 6 KM before detonating. (2 second timer instead of 10 seconds)

I call it, the warp or die launcher....