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Give FW incentives to capture systems
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Jill Chastot
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#21 - 2013-12-17 02:48:53 UTC
Wait wait wait WAIT.

Structure bashes are not fun?

I think this man may have something here, put him on CSM immediately

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Bad Messenger
Rehabilitation Clinic
#22 - 2013-12-18 21:21:03 UTC
Gallente has always problems to do hard part of work, they need always CCP to help, OP is good example.
Deen Wispa
Sheriff.
United Caldari Space Command.
#23 - 2013-12-18 23:47:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Deen Wispa
trader joes Ichinumi wrote:
Theroine wrote:
trader joes Ichinumi wrote:

Unless you plan on investing to upgrade your tier, its just not worth it. The LP gain right now is awful. 50k LP split among everyone bashing on the control point is negligible for the amount of time it takes. And it gives your opponent better LP as they get another area to offensively plex. Unless you decide to invest enough LP to upgrading tiers, its pointless to take systems.

A large part of Gallente Militia has concluded that we aren't going to win enough to upgrade tiers, so taking systems is just a waste of time. It makes offensively plexing harder(as we have few systems to do it in), with no good reward.

I would propose significantly increasing the LP for capping a system. Everyone involved should get a flat amount of LP and defenders should get significantly increased kill and plex LP while the system is vulnerable.

You should be busting the iHub for the greater good of your faction, not as a way to farm LP. You wouldn't be one of those isk grubbing space wh or es, would you?



Almost nobody actually cares about the faction. People care about good pvp and people care about LP farming. Spending 30 minutes bashing on a control point with little reward doesn't appeal to either of these groups.

My corp actually does like to PvP. We took Frarie a few days ago when it became vulnerable. It was pretty boring. It took us about an hour and the only action we got from was from neutrals(despite a Test fleet being 10 jumps away. guess it wasn't interesting to them).

Then we decided that we would rather roam and haven't capped anything since.


You're either a TPLUS or BLFOX alt since I know it was you guys who took Frarie. A couple piece of advice:

1. If you bring 15 ABCs preferably Talos, you will take the ihub in less than 15 minutes. Problem is that many of the militia fleets bring cheap crap to take the ihubs (bombers and destroyers) thus making the ihub bashing process longer than it needs to be. Don't be cheap. Bring ABCs or field caps.

2. Don't rely on the more older established corporations within GalMil to bother doing the work for you. It's not that they don't care. It's that they have done it numerous times already (Gallente reaches t2/t3 about 3-4 times a year) and no one cares to bash more ihubs just so a minority can leech off of the upgraded warzone control. Besides, many of the older corps have older pilots who are filthy rich from previous cash outs. They are apathetic to the woes of newer pilots.

3. If you really really want higher warzone control and bigger ihub fleets, you should reach out to other interested corps who would share a similar ideal. You need to find corps who are hungry for the opportunity to better themselves and/or the militia. Find new blood.

BTW, you can easily earn 80m isk/hour at T1 right now. Certainly not as high as what Caldari have been making recently but not pocket change either.

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trader joes Ichinumi
Doomheim
#24 - 2013-12-19 00:49:50 UTC
Deen Wispa wrote:
trader joes Ichinumi wrote:
Theroine wrote:
trader joes Ichinumi wrote:

Unless you plan on investing to upgrade your tier, its just not worth it. The LP gain right now is awful. 50k LP split among everyone bashing on the control point is negligible for the amount of time it takes. And it gives your opponent better LP as they get another area to offensively plex. Unless you decide to invest enough LP to upgrading tiers, its pointless to take systems.

A large part of Gallente Militia has concluded that we aren't going to win enough to upgrade tiers, so taking systems is just a waste of time. It makes offensively plexing harder(as we have few systems to do it in), with no good reward.

I would propose significantly increasing the LP for capping a system. Everyone involved should get a flat amount of LP and defenders should get significantly increased kill and plex LP while the system is vulnerable.

You should be busting the iHub for the greater good of your faction, not as a way to farm LP. You wouldn't be one of those isk grubbing space wh or es, would you?



Almost nobody actually cares about the faction. People care about good pvp and people care about LP farming. Spending 30 minutes bashing on a control point with little reward doesn't appeal to either of these groups.

My corp actually does like to PvP. We took Frarie a few days ago when it became vulnerable. It was pretty boring. It took us about an hour and the only action we got from was from neutrals(despite a Test fleet being 10 jumps away. guess it wasn't interesting to them).

Then we decided that we would rather roam and haven't capped anything since.


You're either a TPLUS or BLFOX alt since I know it was you guys who took Frarie. A couple piece of advice:

1. If you bring 15 ABCs preferably Talos, you will take the ihub in less than 15 minutes. Problem is that many of the militia fleets bring cheap crap to take the ihubs (bombers and destroyers) thus making the ihub bashing process longer than it needs to be. Don't be cheap. Bring ABCs or field caps.

2. Don't rely on the more older established corporations within GalMil to bother doing the work for you. It's not that they don't care. It's that they have done it numerous times already (Gallente reaches t2/t3 about 3-4 times a year) and no one cares to bash more ihubs just so a minority can leech off of the upgraded warzone control. Besides, many of the older corps have older pilots who are filthy rich from previous cash outs. They are apathetic to the woes of newer pilots.

3. If you really really want higher warzone control and bigger ihub fleets, you should reach out to other interested corps who would share a similar ideal. You need to find corps who are hungry for the opportunity to better themselves and/or the militia. Find new blood.

BTW, you can easily earn 80m isk/hour at T1 right now. Certainly not as high as what Caldari have been making recently but not pocket change either.


You misunderstand me. Given the current system, I have no interest in improving our system control. Yes I could do things to make it faster, but gaining faction control would still be boring and not profitable.

The point of my post was to point this out. Ideally so that CCP would change how system control is established. THe simplest way would be to increase the rewards for taking ihubs. At least then it would be liking plexing(boring and profitable).
Deen Wispa
Sheriff.
United Caldari Space Command.
#25 - 2013-12-19 01:08:45 UTC  |  Edited by: Deen Wispa
Quote:
You misunderstand me. Given the current system, I have no interest in improving our system control.


So you want to make a quick buck off of the ihub bash but have no vested interest in a sustainable warzone control strategy? Ugh

How much LP do you think a fleet should get for bashing a structure that takes no more than 20 minutes? Before you answer with a number, I want you to think this through very carefully. You will start to see the flaw in your logic.

Quote:
THe simplest way would be to increase the rewards for taking ihubs. At least then it would be liking plexing(boring and profitable).


At least you admit to being another farmer.

High Five. Yeah! C'est La Eve .
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