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Ship Mastery - Drones
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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#21 - 2013-12-16 18:37:04 UTC
Dring Dingle wrote:
Can we remove the need of every single racial drone skill from the mastery tree of ships that are not primarily drone boats? and only include the racial mastery of the drone type relative to the type of ship being flown for those that are not drone boats.


No Amarr pilots would ever finish mastery. Who the heck would ever train Amarr drone specialization?

Mr Epeen Cool
Miasmos
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#22 - 2013-12-16 18:47:07 UTC
You are not OCD enough to realize part of drake mastery are all relevant modules, including all racial drones. Or your OCD makes you bitter you do not have the masteries you were hoping to have earned.
Nlex
Domini Canium
#23 - 2013-12-16 19:03:52 UTC
Thing is, and here I agree with OP, that these masteries are supposed to be guidelines for newer players, and by including every skill and a kitchen sink they make newer people waste months of training time. Simply for the fault of believing information found in the game.
Any ship with the middle slot can fit ECM, but only those with bonuses to it require relevant skills for mastery. Why isn't it working the same way with drone skills?
Nerath Naaris
Pink Winged Unicorns for Peace Love and Anarchy
#24 - 2013-12-16 19:12:32 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Nerath Naaris wrote:
mostly useless.

But hey, that´s just me


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Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#25 - 2013-12-16 19:45:04 UTC
Nlex wrote:
Thing is, and here I agree with OP, that these masteries are supposed to be guidelines for newer players, and by including every skill and a kitchen sink they make newer people waste months of training time. Simply for the fault of believing information found in the game.
Any ship with the middle slot can fit ECM, but only those with bonuses to it require relevant skills for mastery. Why isn't it working the same way with drone skills?



Why would a new player need Mastery V and not Mastery I?

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Carmen Electra
AlcoDOTTE
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#26 - 2013-12-16 20:25:04 UTC
I agree that the new mastery system is pretty frustrating. CCPs way of keeping you on the hook (b/c you'll spend a lifetime "mastering" ships).

Only real solution is to make an active effort to use mastery as a very rough guideline on which skills may be helpful for flying a ship. If you take the "achievement" approach, you're gonna have a bad time. Tippia (who needs to get out more <3) has a pretty decent blog post on her site outlining exactly why trying to train ALL THE SKILLS to V is a really, really bad idea.

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Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#27 - 2013-12-16 20:27:18 UTC
Carmen Electra wrote:
use mastery as a very rough guideline on which skills may be helpful for flying a ship.



You're a gypsy

What else does your crystal ball tell you of our present?

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Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#28 - 2013-12-16 21:17:56 UTC
Nlex wrote:
Thing is, and here I agree with OP, that these masteries are supposed to be guidelines for newer players, and by including every skill and a kitchen sink they make newer people waste months of training time. Simply for the fault of believing information found in the game.
Any ship with the middle slot can fit ECM, but only those with bonuses to it require relevant skills for mastery. Why isn't it working the same way with drone skills?

Actually, no, the mastery system in it's entirety is not for new players as evidenced by the long requirements for completion. Devs have stated that several times that the mastery system is intended to span from new players to it's oldest, OCD ridden veterans. Any complaint about a lvl 5 mastery for any ship has nothing to do with new players.
Nimrod vanHall
Van Mij Belastingvrij
#29 - 2013-12-16 21:45:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Nimrod vanHall
How long would it take to get mastery 5 for a noob ship? Or aiming less high a shuttle?


Th shuttle needs navigation, capacitator, eccm skill, passive shield , hull and armor buffer + armor mass reduction skills all at V I'm probably missing some skills and I'm not at my pc to check it out myself.
Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#30 - 2013-12-16 21:51:22 UTC
The biggest joke are the T3 masteries.
My Tengu pilot is about as perfect a Tengu pilot as you'll find anywhere but his mastry level is zero for the tengu because he doesnt have gunnery skills, drone skills or scanning skills.
yeah, his tengu can't fit turrets, doesnt have a dronebay and isnt fitting the scanning subsystem...

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Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#31 - 2013-12-16 21:59:29 UTC
Jack Miton wrote:
The biggest joke are the T3 masteries.
My Tengu pilot is about as perfect a Tengu pilot as you'll find anywhere but his mastry level is zero for the tengu because he doesnt have gunnery skills, drone skills or scanning skills.
yeah, his tengu can't fit turrets, doesnt have a dronebay and isnt fitting the scanning subsystem...


Which makes him as "strategic" in a strategic cruiser as a penguin

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"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Carmen Electra
AlcoDOTTE
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#32 - 2013-12-16 21:59:52 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Carmen Electra wrote:
use mastery as a very rough guideline on which skills may be helpful for flying a ship.



You're a gypsy

What else does your crystal ball tell you of our present?


This is the second time you've quoted me today followed by some completely nonsensical reply. If I feed the troll, will it go away? If so, then how do I feed you?

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Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#33 - 2013-12-16 22:04:25 UTC
Carmen Electra wrote:


This is the second time you've quoted me today followed by some completely nonsensical reply. If I feed the troll, will it go away? If so, then how do I feed you?


Ever stop to think that maybe

Just maybe

Calling me naughty names will not make you more able to understand another point you have failed to understand?

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
NUBIARN
Brutal Ballerinas
#34 - 2013-12-16 22:24:24 UTC
personally I really like the mastery stuff, I think it was the best part of the Rubicon patch, well that and the bastion module.

for a character that will be 10 years this coming January, I was shocked at the skills I was missing to get many ships to mastery V. yes I was expecting to have a lot of the maxed up straight away, you know what I now have 2 year skill plan to do so, so for a pilot running out of focus for what to skill next I now have new goals. and in my opinion new goals are what has kept me in this game for nearly a decade, that and varying my game play, I have been in null sec south east west and north of the map, run incursions done PI, missioned, pirated and took part in fw, traded, mined and run poses, pvped in small solo corp ans alliance level fleets. I don't honestly know what direction the game will take me in the coming years but certainly the mastery levels has added something for me.
Jill Chastot
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#35 - 2013-12-16 22:33:50 UTC
Jack Miton wrote:
The biggest joke are the T3 masteries.
My Tengu pilot is about as perfect a Tengu pilot as you'll find anywhere but his mastry level is zero for the tengu because he doesnt have gunnery skills, drone skills or scanning skills.
yeah, his tengu can't fit turrets, doesnt have a dronebay and isnt fitting the scanning subsystem...


Did you know you need rigging skills for rookie ship mastery?

They do not have rig slots.

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Anomaly One
Doomheim
#36 - 2013-12-16 22:42:57 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:
James Nikolas Tesla wrote:
it isn't even a combat ship



Its a freighter? That's the only ship-class I know that cant kill you


Bump of death

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Laken Starr
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#37 - 2013-12-16 23:16:52 UTC
Mr. Orange wrote:
How about just ignoring the new "achievement" bullsh!t and going about your day, not worrying about useless "features."

Idea

Roll


How about not trying to tell other people how to play the game? Some of us enjoy achievement chasing.
Dring Dingle
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#38 - 2013-12-17 00:04:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Dring Dingle
Im glad some of you are getting it Big smile

- And yes like it or not the mastery rank is a guide to newbies, I believe that the old certificate system was more accurate than mastery in that respect.


o7

[Edit]
And if you're a Lore junkie.... how does it make sense to be say, an amarrian recruit who hates all inferior races... but is told to specialize in the enemies technology ..... xD
Fred P
Carebears of New Eden
#39 - 2013-12-17 01:05:33 UTC
Jack Miton wrote:
The biggest joke are the T3 masteries.
My Tengu pilot is about as perfect a Tengu pilot as you'll find anywhere but his mastery level is zero for the tengu because he doesnt have gunnery skills, drone skills or scanning skills.
yeah, his tengu can't fit turrets, doesnt have a dronebay and isnt fitting the scanning subsystem...


That means you haven't mastered the Tengu, since you can only use it for one of it's several purposes. I would not call the system a joke just because you guys fall to understand what it means to master something, even if it is just an internet spaceship.
Oxylan
Blood Fanatics
#40 - 2013-12-17 01:27:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Oxylan
Mr. Orange wrote:
How about just ignoring the new "achievement" bullsh!t and going about your day, not worrying about useless "features."

Idea

Roll


Again this, got like meny ship clases on lvl 5, 7mil sp in drones, big and med hibrid guns spec lvl 5, multiple other gunery like lazorz spec lvl 4 (total 120+mil sp) while im able to fly meny ships and i feel quite "powerfull" when i chek these statistic somtime i see like lvl 1 mastery, this feature show nothing.

Archivment are cool but only as visual aspect with zero impact on your character.

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