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Carmen Electra
AlcoDOTTE
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#61 - 2013-12-16 21:43:38 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Carmen Electra wrote:
OP: Don't you want to use your anger on something more worthwhile? High-sec NPC salvage sucks, which is the only place you need to worry about concord, flags, etc. In null (and low to an extent), you shoot the people taking your salvage. That is how you counter ninja-salvagers.


Carmen Electra wrote:
Null plexing (in my admittedly limited experience) is more problematic. I tried for a couple of weeks and never got that golden drop. I also lost three blingtars to PvPers (I'm on the other end of that more often than not, so no hard feelings). I could have been a lot more careful, but warping out everytime there's +1 in local is not my idea of fun. Are you factoring in the dud drops, the time you spend hiding from PvPers who want to turn your mission boat into a KM into your isk/hr?



I don't understand What?

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#62 - 2013-12-16 21:43:56 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:
[Its ok, Im a doctor

Of what? Horticulture?

Are you calling me a Hort?

Nah. Not cultured enough. P
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#63 - 2013-12-16 21:50:52 UTC
MTU and salvage drones ?


just saying
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#64 - 2013-12-16 21:51:50 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Tippia wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:
[Its ok, Im a doctor

Of what? Horticulture?

Are you calling me a Hort?

Nah. Not cultured enough. P


lol you can be really mean when you want to be

Another reason I like you :)

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Zifrian
The Frog Pond
Ribbit.
#65 - 2013-12-16 21:55:04 UTC
I remember this being a HUGE deal a few years ago. Even corps set up to do nothing but steal salvage. Annoyed the hell out of me too.

Then I moved out of a mission hub.
Then agents were revised so you could get level 4 Combat agents all over.
Then the noctis and s/m/l rigs, which caused the market to tank.

Then, there was no more problem. In fact, I couldn't stop laughing at some guy who salvaged my wrecks the other day for some isk scraps.

Seriously, you missed the whine boat on this one by about two years or more.

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Milan Nantucket
Doomheim
#66 - 2013-12-16 22:05:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Milan Nantucket
Mnethses wrote:
Why aren't we allowed to fire on pirates stealing our salvage?
I just spent an hour clearing GE only to lose all my salv to someone in a cormorant

I'm not saying they shouldn't be allowed to steal from me, just that I should be allowed to fight back if they do


Problem isn't people stealing salvage. Problem is you think the salvage is yours to begin with.

To fix the problem simply stop believing the salvage is yours. Nothing stopping you from salvaging the wrecks before someone else does.
Terranid Meester
Tactical Assault and Recon Unit
#67 - 2013-12-17 00:08:52 UTC
This kind of OP is exactly the kind of motivation I need to quit faction war and head up to the mission runners in Motsu Pirate
Carmen Electra
AlcoDOTTE
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#68 - 2013-12-17 00:10:27 UTC
Terranid Meester wrote:
This kind of OP is exactly the kind of motivation I need to quit faction war and head up to the mission runners in Motsu Pirate


You'd make more isk mining veldspar in a stock noob ship.

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Mr. Orange
Band of Freelancers
#69 - 2013-12-17 00:12:20 UTC
Carmen Electra wrote:
Terranid Meester wrote:
This kind of OP is exactly the kind of motivation I need to quit faction war and head up to the mission runners in Motsu Pirate


You'd make more isk mining veldspar in a stock noob ship.



Isk is not the goal, tear harvesting is.

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Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#70 - 2013-12-17 00:16:18 UTC
by the way, why the hell can't we tractor yellow wrecks in exchange for a suspect tag yet X
Carmen Electra
AlcoDOTTE
Test Alliance Please Ignore
#71 - 2013-12-17 00:37:17 UTC
Benny Ohu wrote:
by the way, why the hell can't we tractor yellow wrecks in exchange for a suspect tag yet X



this

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Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#72 - 2013-12-17 00:44:18 UTC
All that I can say.

Salvage is for everyone.

Next time, Salvage Drones.

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One of ours, ten of theirs.

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Praxis Ginimic
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#73 - 2013-12-17 02:13:30 UTC
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#74 - 2013-12-17 02:46:40 UTC
It's been a LONG time since I've seen one of these threads.

Per CCP Mitnal:
CCP Mitnal wrote:
"Our policy on this is extremely clear... Salvaging is a mini-profession within EVE and does not constitute stealing."

Per GM Faolchu :
GM Faolchu wrote:
Salvaging other peoples wrecks.... This is an intended game mechanic and is in no way an exploit. People salvaging your missions npcs or the player you just blew up are doing nothing wrong. The players are salvaging what is effectively floating rubbish in space and Concord places no value on this wreckage.
Eve is a harsh place you won't always have everything go your way, its a do or die world and people do what they can to get along. If salvaging some wreckage gets them a few more ISK someone will do it, it doesn't matter who just blew it up.

Per Senior GM Ytterbium :
GM Ytterbium wrote:
Players are still completely free to salvage other pilot wrecks at will ... and doing so is not considered as an exploit.

Per CCP Prism X :
CCP Prism X wrote:
Why is stealing salvage OK? It's not. It shouldn't even be possible to move an item from your cargo-hold / hanger to another persons cargo-hold / hanger without opening a trade window. Before the salvage enters those containers it is not considered your stuff by the server code. Hence it's not stealing.

Per CCP Incognito :
CCP Incognito wrote:
Had a chat with some designers this evening.
Ninja salvaging is intended game play. It was always intended that the wrecks are public, the loot is private.
They do not see it as a problem if others salvage your wrecks.

(These quotes are kept handy for your convenience at Ironfleet.com.)

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Felicity Love
Doomheim
#75 - 2013-12-17 03:03:31 UTC
Less talk, moar shoot !

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Karrl Tian
Doomheim
#76 - 2013-12-17 07:48:26 UTC
Like the highbears would actually shoot the ninjas if they could....Roll
mr ed thehouseofed
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#77 - 2013-12-17 10:12:41 UTC
i use a tractor beam pull wrecks in real close i think thats what there for Shocked

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Jaxon Grylls
Institute of Archaeology
#78 - 2013-12-17 10:50:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Jaxon Grylls
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
All that I can say.

Salvage is for everyone.

Next time, Salvage Drones.


Yes, salvage drones don't seem to attract hostile attention when deployed, so drop your salvagers, go off and fight the bad guys and whilst you are doing that your drones will collect all the scraps.

When they have done that then they are yours.

Not before.

OP, you have a bad attitude to the game and richly deserve all the flames you are attracting.

"Entitled, moi?"Roll

Note: It may be out of his TZ but he does seem to have gone quiet , doesn't he?
Jaxon Grylls
Institute of Archaeology
#79 - 2013-12-17 10:53:57 UTC
Praxis Ginimic wrote:
LAW OF SALVAGE



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Artemis Ellery Sazas
Shock and Awe Inc.
#80 - 2013-12-17 11:21:19 UTC
OMW shortly to "introduce" myself to your multi-billion isk ship. If you whine this much about some crap salvage, I can't wait for the tears when you lose your ship. Big smile