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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#21 - 2013-12-16 15:09:55 UTC
Mnethses wrote:
The fact that you couldn't extrapolate a concept of the endless and ever accelerating advance of technological development from my post astounds me.
Do you know what's even more astounding? Your inability to grasp the concept of ownership.
Mnethses
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#22 - 2013-12-16 15:10:18 UTC
Mag's wrote:
Salvage doesn't exist until your salvager creates it in your cargo hold, or the drones create it and drop it off. So if pirates some how manage to steal it from you after this has happened, you can in fact shoot them. So what is your problem exactly?



Ah! I have miscommunicated, my apologies; I'm talking about people who sit around high-sec in salv fit destroyers scanning down mission runners' sites and salvaging their wrecks, while the mission runner is forced to just watch, because concord wont let us fire on robbers in high sec


I'm honestly shocked so many people are for allowing this kind of behavior, I'd have expected it to fill with people sharing similar complaints. These pirates are infuriating; not everyone wants to play the lowsec game. We should be allowed to keep our peace in highsec.
Mag's
Azn Empire
#23 - 2013-12-16 15:13:31 UTC
Mnethses wrote:
Mag's wrote:
Salvage doesn't exist until your salvager creates it in your cargo hold, or the drones create it and drop it off. So if pirates some how manage to steal it from you after this has happened, you can in fact shoot them. So what is your problem exactly?



Ah! I have miscommunicated, my apologies; I'm talking about people who sit around high-sec in salv fit destroyers scanning down mission runners' sites and salvaging their wrecks, while the mission runner is forced to just watch, because concord wont let us fire on robbers in high sec


I'm honestly shocked so many people are for allowing this kind of behavior, I'd have expected it to fill with people sharing similar complaints. These pirates are infuriating; not everyone wants to play the lowsec game. We should be allowed to keep our peace in highsec.
Salvaging wrecks was designed as a mini profession from the ground up by CCP. They and concord view wrecks as rubbish. It's only when you activate a salvager upon that rubbish, that can have the effect of creating something worthwhile.

Hope this helps.

Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
Mnethses
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#24 - 2013-12-16 15:17:18 UTC
Mag's wrote:
Salvaging wrecks was designed as a mini profession from the ground up by CCP. They and concord view wrecks as rubbish. It's only when you activate a salvager upon that rubbish, that can have the effect of creating something worthwhile.

Hope this helps.


Oh ok, so I take it they didn't originally intend for salvage to make up such a significant portion of a missions pay then, huh?
Lfod Shi
Lfod's Ratting and Salvage
#25 - 2013-12-16 15:17:43 UTC
Salvage faster. Better yet, salvage as you fight. Yes, it can be done.

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Lady Areola Fappington
#26 - 2013-12-16 15:18:04 UTC
Mnethses wrote:


Ah! I have miscommunicated, my apologies; I'm talking about people who sit around high-sec in salv fit destroyers scanning down mission runners' sites and salvaging their wrecks, while the mission runner is forced to just watch, because concord wont let us fire on robbers in high sec


I'm honestly shocked so many people are for allowing this kind of behavior, I'd have expected it to fill with people sharing similar complaints. These pirates are infuriating; not everyone wants to play the lowsec game. We should be allowed to keep our peace in highsec.


Sit down and figure out, honestly, what percentage of total ISK are you "losing" to a ninja salvager. After LP, bounties, mission rewards and time bonus, scooped loot (made even easier with a mobile tractor unit), you're losing..what, maybe 1-2 mil from a 9-10mil total mission?

I mean, if it REALLY bugs you, fit a salvager to your mission boat, and leave the frigates in the rooms alive till the last second. If someone jumps in to start salvaging your wrecks, just warp off. A salvage dessy isn't going to stand up long to 10-15 mission frigates.

7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided. --Eve New Player Guide
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#27 - 2013-12-16 15:18:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Mnethses wrote:
Ah! I have miscommunicated, my apologies; I'm talking about people who sit around high-sec in salv fit destroyers scanning down mission runners' sites and salvaging their wrecks, while the mission runner is forced to just watch, because concord wont let us fire on robbers in high sec
No. You haven't miscommunicated. We know what you're talking about.

The fact remains: anything that leads to them actually stealing your salvage inherently lets you shoot them. You're just confused about what counts as “stealing” and “your salvage”.

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I'm honestly shocked so many people are for allowing this kind of behavior
Why wouldn't they? Why shouldn't salvagers be able to perform their profession without being shot at for no good reason (which is what you're asking for)?

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Oh ok, so I take it they didn't originally intend for salvage to make up such a significant portion of a missions pay then, huh?
It never was intended to be — and still isn't — a part of your mission pay, no.
Mr. Orange
Band of Freelancers
#28 - 2013-12-16 15:18:59 UTC
I found Mnethses for you.

Sent: 2013.12.16 15:14

I've found your scumsucker.

He is at Umokka X - Moon 4 - Caldari Navy Testing Facilities station in the Umokka system, Karnola constellation of Lonetrek region.

With regards,


Twisted
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#29 - 2013-12-16 15:20:56 UTC
Mnethses wrote:

Ah! I have miscommunicated, my apologies; I'm talking about people who sit around high-sec in salv fit destroyers scanning


No, you dont scan in a dessie

Mnethses wrote:
salvaging theirwrecks


No, hey ARENT YOUR WRECKS

Mnethses wrote:
while the mission runner is forced to just watch, because concord wont let us fire on robbers in high sec


No, you arent FORCED to do anythign in this game, the sooner that you realise that the better. And they arent robbers they are SALVAGE TEAMS


Mnethses wrote:
These pirates are infuriating; not everyone wants to play the lowsec game. We should be allowed to keep our peace in highsec.


They arent pirates. This isnt a "lowsec" mechanic. THERE IS NO PEACE IN NEW EDEN

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Lady Areola Fappington
#30 - 2013-12-16 15:21:55 UTC
Mr. Orange wrote:
I found Mnethses for you.

Sent: 2013.12.16 15:14

I've found your scumsucker.

He is at Umokka X - Moon 4 - Caldari Navy Testing Facilities station in the Umokka system, Karnola constellation of Lonetrek region.

With regards,


Twisted


Aww, thank you. OMW with ninja salvage Noctis of DOOM!


And maybe a suicide team. Pirate

7.2 CAN I AVOID PVP COMPLETELY? No; there are no systems or locations in New Eden where PvP may be completely avoided. --Eve New Player Guide
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#31 - 2013-12-16 15:22:03 UTC
Mr. Orange wrote:
I found Mnethses for you.

Sent: 2013.12.16 15:14

I've found your scumsucker.

He is at Umokka X - Moon 4 - Caldari Navy Testing Facilities station in the Umokka system, Karnola constellation of Lonetrek region.

With regards,


Twisted



KEEL HEEM

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#32 - 2013-12-16 15:23:39 UTC
Ramona McCandless wrote:
KEEL HEEM
Fix'd.
Mag's
Azn Empire
#33 - 2013-12-16 15:25:03 UTC
Mnethses wrote:
Mag's wrote:
Salvaging wrecks was designed as a mini profession from the ground up by CCP. They and concord view wrecks as rubbish. It's only when you activate a salvager upon that rubbish, that can have the effect of creating something worthwhile.

Hope this helps.


Oh ok, so I take it they didn't originally intend for salvage to make up such a significant portion of a missions pay then, huh?
Well it's only a significant part if you decide to also do that profession, at the same time as you run your mission.
But it works as CCP intended. They wished to create a mini profession and at the same time, content. This content could come in many forms, one of which is conflict over who gets to salvage a wreck first. So it's all good.

Destination SkillQueue:- It's like assuming the Lions will ignore you in the Savannah, if you're small, fat and look helpless.
Mnethses
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#34 - 2013-12-16 15:25:26 UTC
Nancy Crow wrote:


That doesn't sound ridiculously OP to you? Surely no one would think to make any fleet unprobable via this module...[/quote]


Well if it really is a problem for game play balance then I suppose I would have to agree, but I fail to see how anything in lowsec/null is supposed to even approach "fair"

I always thought the whole point of those regions was to be brutally realistic; while highsec was for people who were either starting out, or just don't have the time to be involved with the 'serious game'.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#35 - 2013-12-16 15:27:19 UTC
Mnethses wrote:
I always thought the whole point of those regions was to be brutally realistic; while highsec was for people who were either starting out, or just don't have the time to be involved with the 'serious game'.

It's not. Highsec is just a place where aggression comes at a cost, that's all.
Ramona McCandless
Silent Vale
LinkNet
#36 - 2013-12-16 15:27:22 UTC
Mnethses wrote:
don't have the time to be involved with the 'serious game'.



I feel violated. This man is clearly a criminal and must be stopped.

"Yea, some dude came in and was normal for first couple months, so I gave him director." - Sean Dunaway

"A singular character could be hired to penetrate another corps space... using gorilla like tactics..." - Chane Morgann
Amber Kurvora
#37 - 2013-12-16 15:33:14 UTC
So, wait...your biggest issue thus far is that someone ninja salvaged your wrecks? Really? Even in my high sec days, I didn't go onto the forums to biatch when someone flipped a can or started looting wrecks. Jeeze, grow some balls.
Sentamon
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#38 - 2013-12-16 15:52:44 UTC
Mnethses wrote:
Why aren't we allowed to fire on pirates stealing our salvage?
I just spent an hour clearing GE only to lose all my salv to someone in a cormorant

I'm not saying they shouldn't be allowed to steal from me, just that I should be allowed to fight back if they do


I think CONCORD should stay out of the way when we shoot you for leaving wrecks all over the place.

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SurrenderMonkey
State Protectorate
Caldari State
#39 - 2013-12-16 15:53:06 UTC
Mnethses wrote:
Why aren't we allowed to fire on pirates stealing our salvage?
I just spent an hour clearing GE only to lose all my salv to someone in a cormorant

I'm not saying they shouldn't be allowed to steal from me, just that I should be allowed to fight back if they do



It's not your salvage until you actually salvage it.

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Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#40 - 2013-12-16 16:01:38 UTC
Mnethses wrote:
Why aren't we allowed to fire on pirates stealing our salvage?
I just spent an hour clearing GE only to lose all my salv to someone in a cormorant

I'm not saying they shouldn't be allowed to steal from me, just that I should be allowed to fight back if they do


you must be slow as balls to get the whole thing stolen by a cormorant that can't even use tractors.

And no, its not your salvage. Deal with it.

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