Player Features and Ideas Discussion

With the long discussion on marauders it became apparent that many people feel the need for a T2 PvP BS. I strongly support this notion and here are my ideas in this regard.

Why we need it?

Current T2 BS (marauders and black ops) are highly specialized ships that have no role in fleet PvP. Marauder is a solo PvE boat, while the black ops is essentially a support vessel. So they are not really BS at all. A BS is something that should be a core of the sub-cap fleet, dealing lots of damage while being hard to kill. All of the current BS (including pirate, navy, etc.) are mediocre in the first role (lots of paper dps but low applied dps, except pirate ones) and bad at the second (slow, large sig, low resists). So the sub-cap heavy hitters of choice are command ships and T3 who not only have better applied dps but also are more susceptible to logi support (lower sig, much better resists). More importantly both T3 and command can have additional role (webs on loki, point on proteus, neuts or links on commands) that further increase their effectiveness in comparison to all current BS. I think this should change.

Solution

That is really simple. Create an new class of T2 Battleships (call it juggernauts, heavy battleships or whatever). Base them on tier 3 BS (Hyperion, Abaddon, Maelstrom, Rock). Make them have a little more dps that T1 versions, but with much more tank. Make them slower than T1 not to step on pirate BS. Since I mostly fly amarr ships I will take abaddon as an example:

Azrael (amarr juggernaut)

Amarr Battleship Skill Bonuses:
+10% to Large Energy Turret damage
+7,5% to Large Energy Turret range

Juggernaut Skill Bonuses:
+5% to Large Energy Turret tracking speed
-10% to Large Energy Turret capacitor use

Role Bonus:
+20% Armor resistances

Slot layout: 8H, 3M, 8L; 7 turrets, 0 launchers
Fittings: 23000 PWG, 600 CPU
Defense (shields / armor / hull) : 7500 / 9000 / 8500
Base shield resistances (EM/Therm/Kin/Exp): 0 / 20 / 57 / 74.25
Base armor resistances (EM/Therm/Kin/Exp): 50 / 35 / 55 / 70
Capacitor (amount / recharge rate / recharge per second) : 6375 / 1250s / 5.1
Mobility (max velocity / agility / mass / align time): 80 / .14 / 103200000 / 20.03s
Drones (bandwidth / bay): 0 / 0
Targeting (max targeting range / Scan Resolution / Max Locked targets): 90km / 90 / 7
Sensor strength: 24 Radar Sensor Strength
Signature radius: 490

Ok, so basically u get little more dps (10% bonus but one less turret), one utility hi slot (for nosferatu), no drones (it should not to be used in PvE), only 3 med slots (to emphasize its fleet role and reliance on support of other ships for tackle), lower speed, little higher sig, T2 resists (as old combat command ships, but in reality CCP shoud just calculate the exact figures), 8 low slots for uber tank.

The resists bonus was shifted from amarr bs to role bonus. The idea is that ALL juggernauts get the resists bonus so that gallente and mimatar pilots would not cry to much. And being the “last ships standing” is a valid role for them anyway.

Or you know, you could just fix battleships as a class...

Sry Mate, but you could just read 300 pages on marauders to know why it will not work. Marauders are for solo / no logi suport. Those ships are for large/medium gangs with logi support. Their price and skill requirements should prevent use in blobs.

I'm not really sure where this should go...

As far as I got it with the overlooked Marauders, they allready have these capabilities (besides sensor strength) and are not limited to PvE.
Do you want something like a BS sized version of HACs?

Been there, done that. At best, you'll get a battleship with more firepower and less tank (Marauders are the reverse).

Nothing wrong with that in my view.

I would love to see a T2 version of the formerly called tier3 BS with a "more gank - less tank" set of bonuses so they need support in the fleet and basically can't stand on their own. The able FC will make something out of this that is more than the sum of it's parts.

Perhaps one for the "primary" weapon system of each race and one for the "secondary"?

A billion ISK hull with poor slot layout, no drones and no significant advantage over ships costing less than a quarter of the pricetag?

Why yes, I'm sure everyone will be lining up to fly these.

While I would love to see a T2 Maelstrom with Core Complexion colors, I seriously don't think "beefed-up battleship HACs" is a compelling or necessary role for such a ship. Marauders handle the tanky aspect quite well and Pirate battleships handle the DPS aspect spectacularly. You'll need to find an interesting use that isn't already done more effectively by something else.

"I don't like that battleships aren't impervious to smaller ships" is completely counter to the intended order of things in EVE.

-1, find an interesting new use for a 1b+ hull, back it up with solid logic and come back again.

if we will ever get a T2 abaddon please let it be a khanid ship

funny thing is your ship would be better than the paladin at PvEing because of more dps and very good tank w/o giving out all your mobility

Just make highest level ship with a lot of hit points, brilliant!.

OP wants T2-resist Battleship-HACs because of T3s that are scheduled for a nerf. Alrighty then.

OP also still doesn't understand the notion that in EVE, bigger ships are not automatically more survivable. If they were, Titan and Supercarrier kills would never happen and there'd be literally thousands of the damned things.