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CEO Passed away and CCP won't help.
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Azurfale
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#1 - 2011-11-22 14:37:11 UTC
6 months ago our CEO passed away, CCP was kind enough to give CEO to a member so that we could continue in that regard. At the time of his passing our corp was moving regions and so a lot of courier contracts were assigned to his character. GM told me yesterday to cancel the contracts so obviuosly he's never played before because the items will stay where they are. Also most our corp assets like BPOs etc are on his characters which is the stuff we'd really like to get back. CCP says we cannot get any of those items back.

Sorry if this is TL;DR but I thought there was precedent for this happening and the corp got all their stuff back (maybe they weren't moving at the time it happened so stuff was organized) and when i got the "we're not doing **** to help you" response it kinda pissed me off.
Chevalleis
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2011-11-22 14:41:59 UTC
You know, taking your CEOs stuff would be kinda like gravelooting.
Jovan Geldon
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2011-11-22 14:44:01 UTC
If the stuff was in his hangar then it belonged to HIM, not the corp. Therefore, you have no claim to it (and rightly so, in my opinion, as it sets a dangerous precedent). Guess you're shit outta luck, son.
Azurfale
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#4 - 2011-11-22 14:44:16 UTC  |  Edited by: CCP Phantom
Not really asking for his stuff. Ships at least are clearly marked in his hanger for corp, and courier contracts cannot be completed without him.

Mostly I want people to get their stuff back, corp assets can be re-purchased (it would just be nice since they are collecting space dust anyway). When I was told we were not getting the assets back I asked about the courier contracts that were assigned to him. This is the response:

Edit: Posting GM correspondence is not allowed on the forums.

Obviously never played eve before or at least never done a courier contract.
Bryant21
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#5 - 2011-11-22 14:57:33 UTC
Scumbag Poster: Title Says CCP Wont Help, CCP Actually Helped.
Just Lilly
#6 - 2011-11-22 15:00:06 UTC
I was expecting the usual "sniff sniff, he was lika a father to me.." etc etc

But this was even worse, no fake tears, no sad faces...just pure greed...

/shrugs

Another glorious day in EvE...
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Mara Villoso
Long Jump.
#7 - 2011-11-22 15:04:38 UTC
Azurfale wrote:
6GM told me yesterday to cancel the contracts so obviuosly he's never played before because the items will stay where they are. Also most our corp assets like BPOs etc are on his characters which is the stuff we'd really like to get back. CCP says we cannot get any of those items back.

Sorry if this is TL;DR but I thought there was precedent for this happening and the corp got all their stuff back (maybe they weren't moving at the time it happened so stuff was organized) and when i got the "we're not doing **** to help you" response it kinda pissed me off.

If they were corp assets and courier contracts were made out of corp hangars and/or the delivery box, then they'll drop back into those places. The lesson to take away from this is, don't let individuals pull all of the corp assets into their own hangars. Its a shame to have to learn it the hard way.
Soi Mala
Whacky Waving Inflatable Flailing Arm Tubemen
#8 - 2011-11-22 15:05:25 UTC
CCP doesn't know for sure he passed away. As disgusting as it would be, it could well have been a scam and he just stole everyone's stuff and let the sub run out until such time he feels safe to log on and move it all. No disrespect to your friend, i'm sure that's not the case, but CCP can't move assets from one char to another, or affect them in any way without being sure.
Tear Miner
Doomheim
#9 - 2011-11-22 15:07:04 UTC
I believe CCP has done all they can in this case. Graverobbing your CEO's hangar sets a dangerous precedent as was mentioned earlier.

TEST pets are worse than actual TEST. You disgust me.
Mara Villoso
Long Jump.
#10 - 2011-11-22 15:07:17 UTC
Something just occurred to me. You say these are courier contracts. Who are the contracts to? If they're internal and there is no collateral, just accept and fail them. Problem solved.
Joe SMASH
You Got A Purty Mouth
#11 - 2011-11-22 15:11:10 UTC
Items, no matter how they are labeled, in personal hangars are owned by the player who owns the hangar. No exceptions.

if the items were placed in a corp hangar, then when CEO was transferred to new pilot, the items in corp hangers would be accessible to the new CEO (assuming no one else had roles).

Courier contracts to "expired" pilots always can be cancelled and the items go back to where the contract was formed. This is how it has always been. If those items are now in an outpost owned by someone who might be less than friendly, see if you can open up a diplomatic line and work out something. However, this is a good lesson to learn that you never ever keep really expensive stuff in a conquerable outpost.
De'Veldrin
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#12 - 2011-11-22 15:21:20 UTC
Joe SMASH wrote:
Items, no matter how they are labeled, in personal hangars are owned by the player who owns the hangar. No exceptions.

if the items were placed in a corp hangar, then when CEO was transferred to new pilot, the items in corp hangers would be accessible to the new CEO (assuming no one else had roles).

Courier contracts to "expired" pilots always can be cancelled and the items go back to where the contract was formed. This is how it has always been. If those items are now in an outpost owned by someone who might be less than friendly, see if you can open up a diplomatic line and work out something. However, this is a good lesson to learn that you never ever keep really expensive stuff in a conquerable outpost.


Or if you do, you keep a jump clone there to run the firesale.

De'Veldrin's Corollary (to Malcanis' Law): Any idea that seeks to limit the ability of a large nullsec bloc to do something in the name of allowing more small groups into sov null will inevitably make it that much harder for small groups to enter sov null.
Khamned
Doomheim
#13 - 2011-11-22 15:33:41 UTC
let me guess, someone stole your sweetroll?
Pak Narhoo
Splinter Foundation
#14 - 2011-11-22 15:35:06 UTC
Time to move on kid. Appreciate what you've got left.
Komen
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2011-11-22 15:48:02 UTC
I am the character whom all those things belong to. Please, CCP, dump them all in my hangar...in um...Jita. Yeah, that's a convenient spot to sell reclaim my belongings.
Morganta
The Greater Goon
#16 - 2011-11-22 15:54:03 UTC
Tear Miner wrote:

TEST pets are worse than actual TEST. You disgust me.
AkJon Ferguson
JC Ferguson and Son Ltd
Ferguson Alliance
#17 - 2011-11-22 17:14:37 UTC
I spoke to your CEO on his deathbed and his dying wish was that I have all his stuff.

Make it so, CCP.
Graelyn
Aeternus Command Academy
#18 - 2011-11-22 17:19:22 UTC
Khamned wrote:
let me guess, someone stole your sweetroll?


Dragons? It can't be.

Cardinal Graelyn

Amarr Loyalist of the Year - YC113
Renan Ruivo
Forcas armadas
Brave Collective
#19 - 2011-11-22 17:22:20 UTC
Yeah.. i use to be a gravelooter like you.

Then i took an arrow to the knee.

The world is a community of idiots doing a series of things until it explodes and we all die.
Captain Mastiff
#20 - 2011-11-22 17:38:56 UTC
Posting in support for CCP.

I for one would like to think that my online game persona would not be looted in the untimely even of my real life death. I find it warming that even in the event of saddening circumstances CCP still abide by their terms and conditions. The virtual items were in his account and therefore his property, you were merely stakeholders but most definitely not the owner at the end of the day.

Well done CCP and Rest in Peace to the person who died.
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