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"DSCAN DISRUPTOR" in patch Rubicon 1.1.

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Dracvlad
Taishi Combine
Astral Alliance
#61 - 2013-12-15 14:50:32 UTC
Masao Kurata wrote:
The only way this can be remotely balanced is if you can't dscan from a grid with one either... no wait, that doesn't help at all, you just need a cloaked alt in the system. This is completely terrible and will eliminate all pvp outside of camps, fw and structure grinds. It is literally the end of the hunter play style once everyone starts using these because defending yourself becomes as reliable and nearly as easy as docking up whenever local isn't empty.

How can you even consider implementing this?


What is your idea of PvP, jumping onto a PvE fitted ship with a small fleet? But ignoring that, a lot depends on how these work, will they have a range limit, can they themselves be D-scanned, and if so what does that indicate, someone is perhaps ratting behind it, but then you have to go and check, because you would not really want to tackle a fleet setup waiting for you would you, bluntly put it adds a lot more possibilities and just as it decreases combat in some ways, it increases it in others. But as I said it depends on the way its implemented.

This really does add to something that was said in another thread, about local being possibly removed or altered, what CCP is doing here is actually very sensible if you step back and look at it without the lens of the existing system. And I say that as someone who rats solo and as someone who does hunt, I find it rather exciting... so stop being so negative!

When the going gets tough the Gankers get their CSM rep to change mechanics in their favour.

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Vas Vadum
Draconian Empire
#62 - 2013-12-15 16:06:28 UTC
CCP Fozzie wrote:
This thread makes me smile.


I fixed your image for you, it was to hideously j-pegged to be funny. :P
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KuroVolt
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#63 - 2013-12-15 16:08:23 UTC
SOMETHING MIGHT CHANGE IN THE FORSEEABLE FUTURE!

EVERYONE DROP EVERYTHING YOU ARE DOING AND PANIC!

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LUMINOUS SPIRIT
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#64 - 2013-12-15 16:18:51 UTC
Tauranon wrote:
the immediate up in arms won't be about blocking d-scan its about identifying for CCP that...

(a) nobody wants to press d-scan a thousand times for no enemy reported.
its a horrible way of telling the game that you are paying attention, and I would stop playing if that becomes required. I was on the d-scan for an hour on friday (due to my escalation resetting over DT), clearing an escalation, and I'm fine with doing that as it was a hostile system with a hostile present. I don't want to do it all day if there is nobody in system.

(b) nobody wants to be tackled whilst paying full attention. Evasion, even from a cloaked tackler has to remain a viable strategy, presuming one is careful about setup, avoids being held down by NPCs, and makes use of all available intel.

(c) there isn't a lot of point to alliance intel (in fact by and large the way my alliance coooperates cross corp), if we can't detect and report hostiles. Having to put alts on gates to do that sucks. That would require 60 alts to give us equivalent coverage, and making "2 accounts required" tasks has always been bad for EVEs reputation.


wormhole corps do just fine using D-scan as intel tool, you null-bears will adjust. Or run back to high-sec to your mammas, i dont particularly care. Better an empty null-sec then a bunch of ratting null-bears who dock up every time local flashes.
Kate stark
#65 - 2013-12-15 16:25:23 UTC
LUMINOUS SPIRIT wrote:
Tauranon wrote:
the immediate up in arms won't be about blocking d-scan its about identifying for CCP that...

(a) nobody wants to press d-scan a thousand times for no enemy reported.
its a horrible way of telling the game that you are paying attention, and I would stop playing if that becomes required. I was on the d-scan for an hour on friday (due to my escalation resetting over DT), clearing an escalation, and I'm fine with doing that as it was a hostile system with a hostile present. I don't want to do it all day if there is nobody in system.

(b) nobody wants to be tackled whilst paying full attention. Evasion, even from a cloaked tackler has to remain a viable strategy, presuming one is careful about setup, avoids being held down by NPCs, and makes use of all available intel.

(c) there isn't a lot of point to alliance intel (in fact by and large the way my alliance coooperates cross corp), if we can't detect and report hostiles. Having to put alts on gates to do that sucks. That would require 60 alts to give us equivalent coverage, and making "2 accounts required" tasks has always been bad for EVEs reputation.


wormhole corps do just fine using D-scan as intel tool, you null-bears will adjust. Or run back to high-sec to your mammas, i dont particularly care. Better an empty null-sec then a bunch of ratting null-bears who dock up every time local flashes.


the difference is people in wormholes get adequately rewarded for that level of inconvenience.

Yay, this account hasn't had its signature banned. or its account, if you're reading this.
Xuixien
Solar Winds Security Solutions
#66 - 2013-12-15 18:08:03 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Xuixien wrote:
Personally I hate D-scan and Local. "SURPRISE! I'M HERE!" is much better.

You've made your opinions on the subject quite clear. Fortunately for you you already have the option of avoiding both.


What are you going to do with all that rage when CCP goes ahead and makes changes despite your protests?

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Matokin Lemant
#67 - 2013-12-15 18:11:49 UTC
CCP Fozzie wrote:
This thread makes me smile.


Well you never exactly denied it now did youTwisted
Xuixien
Solar Winds Security Solutions
#68 - 2013-12-15 18:30:16 UTC
Riot Girl wrote:
Rek Seven wrote:
you can't prevent yourself from showing up on the instant intel channel that is "local", which is why it needs some refinements.

I don't understand your reasoning.


His reasoning is that Local is an intel tool that has no counter. There is no "counter-intel" to Local (except of course in the case of bait where your fleet waits next door - but then you still face the same issue.)

You'r ewelcome.

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MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
#69 - 2013-12-15 18:39:38 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Also to answer OP's question, it's not a troll. Sarmatiko is very reliable about this sort of thing. He gets his information from data dumps of one of the non-public test servers (I believe the one he uses is Chaos).


indeed i am more interested in the decoy unit and the bounty monitor.

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Ugh ti-di pooping makes me sad.
CCP Fozzie
C C P
C C P Alliance
#70 - 2013-12-15 18:51:33 UTC
Matokin Lemant wrote:
CCP Fozzie wrote:
This thread makes me smile.


Well you never exactly denied it now did youTwisted


I rarely deny things Twisted

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Sentamon
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#71 - 2013-12-15 19:29:47 UTC
Poor gankers getting trolled by Fozzie.

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Riot Girl
You'll Cowards Don't Even Smoke Crack
#72 - 2013-12-15 19:46:02 UTC
Xuixien wrote:
Riot Girl wrote:
Rek Seven wrote:
you can't prevent yourself from showing up on the instant intel channel that is "local", which is why it needs some refinements.

I don't understand your reasoning.


His reasoning is that Local is an intel tool that has no counter. There is no "counter-intel" to Local (except of course in the case of bait where your fleet waits next door - but then you still face the same issue.)

You'r ewelcome.


So CCP are turning local into WH local and adding a perma-running D-Scan overlay to the HUD which displays ships as they enter and travel in a system. The new module counters the perma-running D-scan.

Oh god.
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#73 - 2013-12-15 19:47:00 UTC
CCP Fozzie wrote:
We already have a thread for half (and whole) decent suggestions: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=295535&find=unread
Big smile

So how exactly did the new rapid light and rapid heavy missile launchers get implemented...?

I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
Kate stark
#74 - 2013-12-15 20:02:27 UTC
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
CCP Fozzie wrote:
We already have a thread for half (and whole) decent suggestions: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=295535&find=unread
Big smile

So how exactly did the new rapid light and rapid heavy missile launchers get implemented...?

because nobody reads F&I that's why we post everything in duplicate threads in GD.

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Eurydia Vespasian
Storm Hunters
#75 - 2013-12-15 20:08:57 UTC
dscan as it is makes no sense anyway. you push a button and you get a list of all the things in "range" ...however, you don't know where they are or how far away from you. what kind of ****** technology is that? even something as primitive as sonar and radar can tell a crew person exactly how far away an object is and plot a course to intercept it. you mean to tell me that thousands of years in the future a space faring humanity is completely unable to calculate an objects location without the use of 8 scanner probes?
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#76 - 2013-12-15 20:19:37 UTC
Xuixien wrote:
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Xuixien wrote:
Personally I hate D-scan and Local. "SURPRISE! I'M HERE!" is much better.

You've made your opinions on the subject quite clear. Fortunately for you you already have the option of avoiding both.


What are you going to do with all that rage when CCP goes ahead and makes changes despite your protests?

Where did I ever say that CCP shouldn't change anything?

Enjoying the rain today? ;)
Rek Seven
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#77 - 2013-12-15 22:33:15 UTC
Eurydia Vespasian wrote:
dscan as it is makes no sense anyway. you push a button and you get a list of all the things in "range" ...however, you don't know where they are or how far away from you. what kind of ****** technology is that? even something as primitive as sonar and radar can tell a crew person exactly how far away an object is and plot a course to intercept it. you mean to tell me that thousands of years in the future a space faring humanity is completely unable to calculate an objects location without the use of 8 scanner probes?


Actually you can tell what direction a ship is in and how far away it is using D-scan... But i admit, it is a crude system.

The wishlist is pretty much complete...
Bel Amar
Rules of Acquisition
#78 - 2013-12-15 22:46:22 UTC
CCP Fozzie wrote:
I rarely deny things Twisted



Yes you do!
Aiwha
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#79 - 2013-12-15 23:06:20 UTC
Seems like an okay idea. Considering cepters are now two second warps, giving the retards slowcat ratting in carriers a few extra seconds to react would be helpful.

Sanity is fun leaving the body.
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#80 - 2013-12-15 23:22:14 UTC
I really don't think a dscan disruptor is going to make ratting in carriers any less stupid.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)