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So a 30 mill isk ship will be able to 1 volley a 100-150 mill ship in hi-sec.
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Suddenly Boom
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#1 - 2011-11-22 14:06:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Suddenly Boom
Wow, this is going to be fun, for me at least, not for the people getting destroyed. I can now effectively destroy any hulk or mackinkaw in empire space with one button, and it will only cost me about 30 million isk and the target loses 100-150 million isk. Even if they tank their barge to hell, it won't matter because a 2nd volley will finish them for sure and a 2nd volley is possible.

We can even gank targets on gates like freighters, indys, even faction fit ships. I don't know what someone was thinking when they decided to add 8 slot battleship weapons to cheap ships but GJ.

Hi-sec ganking is going to be easier than ever, even without insurance. Let the massacre begin.
woe kitten
Any hole's a goal
#2 - 2011-11-22 14:11:43 UTC
Suddenly Boom wrote:
Wow, this is going to be fun, for me at least, not for the people getting destroyed. I can now effectively destroy any hulk or mackinkaw in empire space with one button, and it will only cost me about 30 million isk and the target loses 100-150 million isk. Even if they tank their barge to hell, it won't matter because a 2nd volley will finish them for sure and a 2nd volley is possible.

We can even gank targets on gates like freighters, indys, even faction fit ships. I don't know what someone was thinking when they decided to add 8 slot battleship weapons to cheap ships but GJ.

Hi-sec ganking is going to be easier than ever, even without insurance. Let the massacre begin.


Your point is? Question

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Herr Wilkus
Aggressive Salvage Services LLC
#3 - 2011-11-22 14:12:16 UTC
I'd quibble over the figures a bit, but yep, thats more or less the size of it.

Crucible can't come soon enough, for me. (Well, at least until I can work my way through this surplus stack of suicide Tempests....)
Eugene Spencer
Set Phasers To Malky
#4 - 2011-11-22 14:12:33 UTC
The new battlecruisers will cost more than 30m ISK.

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Ptraci
3 R Corporation
#5 - 2011-11-22 14:15:39 UTC
Eugene Spencer wrote:
The new battlecruisers will cost more than 30m ISK.


Industrial ships cost more than 150 million isk, too. Let's split hairs more.
Cidwm
Doomheim
#6 - 2011-11-22 14:37:17 UTC
ill be impressed (and possibly scared/very happy bunny) if the new Tier 3 battlecruisers came out and people sld them for battlecruiser prices! with there initial high demand by nearly anyone who wants to fly the latest ship, im expecting it to be closer to Battleship prices at the very least at first, and then decline and stablise over a few months
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#7 - 2011-11-22 14:41:13 UTC
nothing cheaper than a titan should be able to kill a hulk (((

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Scortched Merc
Ascendance Rising
Ascendance..
#8 - 2011-11-22 14:41:50 UTC
I'm glad I only fly 2billion isk ships in High Sec. I'm Safe!

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Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#9 - 2011-11-22 14:42:04 UTC
frekis cost like 40b and an autocane or even a thrasher will volley one, point?

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#10 - 2011-11-22 14:49:10 UTC
So?
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#11 - 2011-11-22 14:49:45 UTC
when you mine high-sec gallente ice, you mine with HITLER

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Artisan Botanist
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#12 - 2011-11-22 14:55:38 UTC
Andski <-- Why the 3 min timer should return

Well I guess it could be worse,.. *cough* Zagdul *cough*
Serial Chi
White Knights of Equestria
#13 - 2011-11-22 14:57:04 UTC
i wonder if there is gonna be a mass exodus of hulk pilots if they are losing hulks every other day as opposed to once every few months.

infact, i hope there is. ccp has only been asking miners to bend over and take it for ages now. look at that ****** new T2 mining foreman link, seriously 5% increase when ALL others get 18-25% increase????

ccp, like all companies only understands one thing: money aka the bottom line.

i think ccp fells to understand that most gankers dont care about isk, just causing grief to another player and this is making their pants wet. loss of insurance just means an hour more of lvl 4 missions on their alt, in the background.

i hope hulkageddon V and these new BCs starts a nasty chain reaction and forces ccp to either bring the exhumars inline with the new gank mobiles or lose a **** load of money when the more passive, non forum-using average miners start to let there subs go.
Psychophantic
#14 - 2011-11-22 14:58:37 UTC
Tippia wrote:
So?


This is the part where you point out the easily mitigated consequences for the ganker.
Dr Karsun
Coffee Lovers Brewing Club
#15 - 2011-11-22 14:59:12 UTC
100000 thread about the same issue..

Gankers will be there, they will pointlessly gank the ones that can't defend them selves and they will still not amuse anyone.

Considering there is an insurance payout change that they won't get any insruance - they will still lose more isk than they would if the insurance system was still working as it was.

So to sum it up to all the people crying / bragging about the new bc being the uber gankship - yes we know you'll get wet in bed because of that, but please, kindly shut up ^^

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Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#16 - 2011-11-22 15:02:02 UTC
high-sec miners will never be pleased until they can bot mine in high-sec without risk because they auto-reject all the honourable pvp requests

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Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#17 - 2011-11-22 15:03:08 UTC
suicide ganking is an honourable profession, nerfing it will be CCP's undoing

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Serial Chi
White Knights of Equestria
#18 - 2011-11-22 15:04:59 UTC
Andski wrote:
all the honourable pvp requests



lol.... what game are you playing?
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#19 - 2011-11-22 15:07:09 UTC
Serial Chi wrote:
Andski wrote:
all the honourable pvp requests



lol.... what game are you playing?


the game that highsec macrominers like the OP wish EVE was

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Roosterton
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#20 - 2011-11-22 15:09:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Roosterton
Serial Chi wrote:
i wonder if there is gonna be a mass exodus of hulk pilots if they are losing hulks every other day as opposed to once every few months.

infact, i hope there is. ccp has only been asking miners to bend over and take it for ages now. look at that ****** new T2 mining foreman link, seriously 5% increase when ALL others get 18-25% increase????

ccp, like all companies only understands one thing: money aka the bottom line.

i think ccp fells to understand that most gankers dont care about isk, just causing grief to another player and this is making their pants wet. loss of insurance just means an hour more of lvl 4 missions on their alt, in the background.

i hope hulkageddon V and these new BCs starts a nasty chain reaction and forces ccp to either bring the exhumars inline with the new gank mobiles or lose a **** load of money when the more passive, non forum-using average miners start to let there subs go.


Just about any PVP fitted ship can kill a PVE fitted ship, regardless of their prices.

I've seen a 20mil Arbitrator take down a 1bil+ mission Vargur.
Many times have an armor Hurricane killed an 800mil+ Paladin.
I killed a ratting Tempest with a Drake awhile back.
A good stealth bomber can regularly pop sanctum farmers in nullsec.
Well-organized ops consisting of a few BC's can bring an unsuspecting highsec Incursion (worth 10bil+ in total) to its knees.

What's common with all these things? The victims aren't prepared. The mission runners getting ganked don't know how aggression mechanics work, so put themselves in a situation where they can get taken down. The ratting Tempest didn't know how to check d-scan, so it couldn't align out in time for my attack. Sanctum farmers in nullsec die when they're not watching their intel channels/local. Incursions get slaughtered if somebody cap transfers a guy with a flag without noticing. Even if your ship is worth 10x more than the person attacking you, if you're unprepared, you're in deep ****, simple as that.

Miners are NOT deserving of special treatment in this regard, nor should they be. You have multiple tools at your disposal to prepare for or avoid a suicide gank, such as:

A) Mine in a reclusive system with few people.
B) Set d-scan to 1,000,000km, if you see destroyers or tornados on there, protip: They're likely coming to gank something, start warping out.
C) Mine while pointing in the direction of a celestial object.
D) If you suspect yourself as being a gank target, ship down to a much cheaper Coveter? They only mine about 10% less than a Hulk, and cost only 20mil. I doubt anyone would bother ganking it.

I could think of more, but this is sufficient to make my point, and I need to head off to school. Bye.
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