Player Features and Ideas Discussion

475 DPS with at best a 55km range.....less than a thorax, both range and damage, not to mention I would like to see my T2 battleship useful for something OTHER than shooting bombers around and quick ganks (ok not so quick if you saw the sin gang that killed a Nyx the otehr day)

Basically I want to see T2 battleships that can y'know battle, if I need to back them with carrier priced pirate battleships so be it.



To be frank I don't care about PvE, and even then did you see the video of a guy doing a C5 site solo in a Vargur? Drone reps have a million downfalls, particularly when you have to deal with the persistant bomber wings that infest EVERY fight in nullsec. I do it, they do it everyone does it.



The only thing I think people agree on is that the current ship is turd, damn if I'm bothering to build one of these to get a giant gnosis with an amazing killmail attached.

That was the reason that I said make the highs very flexible. Evreryone doesn't do logi, or have people to logi for, so a singular focus rather excludes a large amount of players.

In fact cloak and jump bonuses are largely useless for the majority of accounts many don't look at 2billion isk battleship and think II can't wait to drop one someone with that".

.....many do though.

Mh, if that is the case, it should just have as much dps crammed into the hull as possible and 500 defense. (And still the covert jump drive , which is why Onictus and I considered PVP in our discussion.)

Agreed, Uriel. It's been a very long time since there were fresh blue bars in this thread. Some ideas have been raised that are worth addressing.

Would be nice to hear from CCP Rise about the SoE BS.

The SoE frigate and cruiser are both good PvP ships, but mostly because they can pick and choose their victims. They are good site ships also too.

The issue with the SoE BS is it will be, or so it looks so far much better at PvE then PvP. You could use it for logi, but why? you can use T1 or T1 logi, much more cost effective and will work just as good. The Nestor might work well in small gangs together, but have to wait and see. For sites, incurs, ghost sites, L4s and etc though I think it will work pretty great.

When is it suppose to be coming out?

I know not a lot of people agreed with it completely, but it seems like the Logistical Sentry drone idea I mentioned a while back would solve a lot of the balancing issues everyone is discussing.

Choosing between max dps and half dps/half RR. It is RR that is easy to suppress. It would make it moderately balanced for blops when you factor in lock time, the rep isn't super strong, and the drones can be shot down. Right now you can use Tech 3s to produce some insane rep with black ops drops. This idea would produce less rep with more range with less locking speed.

It wouldn't change much for PvE either.

I think it is intended, that you have to choose between more damage/utility an a cloak/probes.

Heh you're right of course, my comment was a little flippant.

I'l be clearer. The Astero and Stratios make excellent suprise-tacklers since they can decloak next to their victim, bump, lock and scram and then crucially, easily withstand a great deal of damage until help arrives. The stratios can actually solo anything that can't perma-rep. They have excellent capacitor recharge rates, which means that properly fitted, they can tackle even a larger ship with a neutraliser while fitting (in the case of a stratios) a dual rep tank.

For my money, they perform this role of surprise tackle better than a covert recon or bomber, and better than any T3 except a tengu. They achieve excellent all-over resistances and have a large cargo bay for cap boosters, giving them many effective EHP.

I would have been excited by a battleship that could achieve a similar thing.

With only a 16km rep range it would be pretty easy to bump a Nestor out of range

This the rest is just details.