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UGLY SHIPS - Vote and Commentary

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Lili Lu
#21 - 2011-11-20 17:27:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Lili Lu
Don't touch my Phoon. It is beautiful. Except for the stupid desert camo on the fleet phoon.

Also, honestly, who doesn't want to fly a spaceship with a huge ramming spike on the bow. Makes me think of poor Wash on Serenity. Not that I want to be a reaver or anything Oops

As to the wingy bits on some ships, yeah they are overdone. Really? the Tempest is meant to armor tank? with those huge delicate fins? Either make its slot layout point to it being a shield tanker, or shrink and beef up the look of those things.
Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#22 - 2011-11-20 23:54:00 UTC
Lili Lu wrote:
As to the wingy bits on some ships


They have a proper name, you know!

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.

DaBrasileiro
Deep Space Galactic
#23 - 2011-11-21 02:11:03 UTC
Simple as this:

Amarr = elegant and religious as is now, maybe 1 or 2 tiny changes you are NOT perfect you know, lol.

Gallente = flashy and stylish just like their CQ is, that's true gallente style (Frack the organic/bio theme that is not gallente i'm sorry, Jovian ships fit that theme more from the ships i've seen) complete makeover here, eye sores!

Caldari = ruthless and cold as they are now, just need to change a few of the too blocky, tetris looking ships lol.

Mimatar = trust in the rust, wingy bits and all, yes thats the proper name 'wingy bits'! just a few changes to certain ships.

Shocked eye sores!.....
Cheers Smile


/signed


ps. the new tier BCs look good well done.

****[u]SIGNED[/u]

Floydd Heywood
Doomheim
#24 - 2011-11-21 02:20:21 UTC
Cajun Style wrote:

gallente: celestis/arazu/lachesis hull is a very important one because of those recons fulfilling some damned essential roles in pvp... and frankly that ship model is a travesty.


This. The Arazu is so unbelievably ugly that I zoom out immediately whenever I board it.

What amazes me the most is that some people actually like her looks. Those people usually also think the Dominix looks good. I suppose that's the kind of people who prefer really, really fat women.
Cajun Style
Shattered Planet
#25 - 2011-11-21 02:46:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Cajun Style
Floydd Heywood wrote:
Cajun Style wrote:

gallente: celestis/arazu/lachesis hull is a very important one because of those recons fulfilling some damned essential roles in pvp... and frankly that ship model is a travesty.


This. The Arazu is so unbelievably ugly that I zoom out immediately whenever I board it.

What amazes me the most is that some people actually like her looks. Those people usually also think the Dominix looks good. I suppose that's the kind of people who prefer really, really fat women.


yeah but the way that noobs disregard the dominix and try to aim for the mega/hyperion and the way good players recognize it as one of the most awesomesauce ships in the ******* game makes the fact that it's ugly in the way that becomes really endearing. i actually kind of love the dominix being ugly, i find it almost adorable. sometimes i feel like the dominix being ugly is almost as essential to eve culture as ship spinning. Lol eve just wouldn't be eve if we didn't look at some giant space poop and go "awwww i love you so much"

personally i don't care for the myrmidon
Keen Fallsword
Skyway Patrol
#26 - 2011-11-21 02:53:30 UTC
Vaga is the ugliest thing in whole game. Its crappy both design ang technical 3d modeling and Texturing. Almost all mini models are like from the past when computer graphic started... Its pure 90's style very oldschool not from modern wanna be AAA Class game
Artassaut
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#27 - 2011-11-21 04:13:41 UTC
Lili Lu wrote:
Don't touch my Phoon. It is beautiful. Except for the stupid desert camo on the fleet phoon.

Also, honestly, who doesn't want to fly a spaceship with a huge ramming spike on the bow. Makes me think of poor Wash on Serenity. Not that I want to be a reaver or anything Oops

As to the wingy bits on some ships, yeah they are overdone. Really? the Tempest is meant to armor tank? with those huge delicate fins? Either make its slot layout point to it being a shield tanker, or shrink and beef up the look of those things.

You know you'd love a Typhoon that looked like this.
Lili Lu
#28 - 2011-11-21 22:39:01 UTC
Artassaut wrote:
Lili Lu wrote:
Don't touch my Phoon. It is beautiful. Except for the stupid desert camo on the fleet phoon.

Also, honestly, who doesn't want to fly a spaceship with a huge ramming spike on the bow. Makes me think of poor Wash on Serenity. Not that I want to be a reaver or anything Oops

As to the wingy bits on some ships, yeah they are overdone. Really? the Tempest is meant to armor tank? with those huge delicate fins? Either make its slot layout point to it being a shield tanker, or shrink and beef up the look of those things.

You know you'd love a Typhoon that looked like this.


No not really. Like the fella above said about his Domi. People can view it as a pile of space poop and discount it and it makes the ship so more endearing. People can view the present phoon as a space trash can, and discount it and it makes it more endearing. Besides, that "fashionable" re-work of a phoon has no bow spike. I mean how can you name that ship hypodermic needle, or narwhal, or swordfish? It lacks the character of the present phoon imo.
Talon SilverHawk
Patria o Muerte
#29 - 2011-11-21 22:57:52 UTC
Moa - Like the shape improve the model
Raven "both" where are my launchers ???????
Caracal, what is with the Lego stick insect

Foofad
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#30 - 2011-11-22 00:26:41 UTC
Celestis, Harbinger needs some reworking to make it look more Amarrian and less like a Super Guppy, Moa, and Rupture.

But honestly the Celestis is the worst of the bunch. Absolutely godawful.
Javelin6
#31 - 2011-11-22 00:30:35 UTC
Amarr: Omen (Maller like redo is in order)
Caldari: Moa (I dont even..)
Gallente: Celestis (organic flows are good, looking like something extruded from a bodily orifice, not so much)
Minmatar: Rupture (good shape but the details don't hold up in high res)
Pirate: Worm (needs its own model)

All 4 empire factions DESPERATELY need new rookie ships. Remember yourself as a new player? You watched an introduction basically calling you a new GOD with limitless potential in New Eden, then you got your first look at your Ibis/Reaper/Velator/Impairor......yeah riiiiight.
Autonomous Monster
Paradox Interstellar
#32 - 2011-11-22 12:35:11 UTC
Alright, I've been through the thread and tallied up the votes so far. Any "all of x" comments I just ignored, because hey, **** you bro.

Quote:
Amarr

Aeon - For: |||; Against:
Apocalypse - For: ||; Against:
Arbitrator - For: |; Against:
Armageddon - For: |; Against:
Augoror - For: ||; Against:
Crucifier/Sentinel - For: |; Against:
Harbinger - For: ||; Against:
Omen - For: |; Against:
Prophecy - For: |; Against:
Revelation - For: |; Against: |

Caldari

Bantam - For: |; Against:
Blackbird - For: |; Against:
Caracal - For: ||||; Against:
Condor - For: |; Against:
Griffin - For: |; Against:
Moa/Eagle/Onyx - For: ||||| |||||; Against: |
Osprey - For: |; Against:
Phoenix - For: |; Against:
Raven - For: |||; Against: |

Gallente

Atron - For: |; Against:
Brutix - For: |; Against:
Catalyst - For: |; Against:
Celestis/Arazu/Lachesis - For: ||||| |||||; Against:
Dominix - For: ||||; Against: ||
Exequror - For: ||; Against:
Imicus/Helios - For: ||||| ||; Against:
Maulus - For: |; Against:
Moros - For: |; Against:
Myrmidon - For: |; Against:
Obelisk - For: |; Against:
Thorax - For: ||; Against:

Minmatar

Bellicose - For: |; Against:
Cyclone - For: |||; Against:
Maelstrom - For: |; Against:
Rupture - For: ||||; Against:
Scythe - For: |; Against:
Stabber/Vagabond - For: |||; Against:
Tempest - For: |||; Against:
Thrasher - For: |; Against:
Typhoon/Panther - For: ||||| |; Against: |

Guristas

Worm - For: ||; Against:


Now going to try and comment on all of these. Bear with me.

Amarr in general: are pretty much perfect, really. I'm of the opinion that anyone who really thinks these ships are in dire need of an overhaul should have their head examined. The absolute worst you could say is that some of them are kind of out-of-theme for the Amarr, and that some of the texturing jobs don't hold up so well against the new V3 sexiness. And hey, they're next up for V3ing. Cool

Aeon: Alright, I spoke too soon Blink. This is the Amarr ship the engineers forgot to finish. Amarr ships in general are very strongly symmetrical, and it works very well for them. It's a shame to break it here. If we can't remove the side-car style "runway" (note: you don't need runways for spaceships, BSG be damned), at the very least I'd like to see the vertical segment be mirrorred and made smooth on both sides. If we can get more radical, I'd ditch the runway entirely, mirror the ship lengthways and put a sunken "slot" along the top of it's head, similar to the "runway" section on the Nyx. Or, just stick a great gaping mouth hole on it. It's already got the makings of one there.

Apocalypse: Wot wot wot? The Apoc? Really? The complaint I think was, "it looks unfinished," and okay, I can see where you're coming from. It looks a bit odd with those hollows, and obviously the Abaddon puts it to shame (Abaddon I think is my favourite third tier battleship Big smile), but there's nothing wrong with it that isn't also wrong with the 'geddon. And it's easily the most iconic Amarr ship in the entire game- I think it may be the literal poster child. They're never going to change it.

Arbitrator: One of the best looking cruisers in the game, easily. On the other hand, it's a bit too racy and spindly for the usual Amarr "giant golden space brick" style, so I'm torn. Perhaps we could shuffle it off to one of the other races? You could make a good case for either the Gallente or the Minmatar, I think. Minmatar's probably best; half of their cruisers need to be killed with fire. Ugh

Armageddon: I said there was nothing wrong with the Apoc that isn't wrong with this, and what I meant was, this also feels a bit thin and unfinished. A lot of the newer Amarr ships (IIRC, back when I joined the only ships in the game were the seven frigates, four cruisers and the first two BSs- maybe interceptors) are very smooth and rounded. The 'geddon just doesn't feel bulky enough for a battleship, especially an Amarr one. But honestly, I'm just nit-picking. I don't think these two are in need of remodelling Blink

Augoror: Giant gold space brick. Looks a bit Gallente/Brutix-like with its mass all the way forward like that, but otherwise it's fine.

Crucifier: I'm inclined to forgive this one its crimes against structural integrity on the grounds of cruiser. On the other hand, the Amarr have a "smooth hull" thing going on, and when that's missing it can really feel like the ship left spacedock without all its parts. Plus, it might be fun to just turn it into a little golden needle. Big smile

Harbinger: Again, the worst thing about it is it's out of theme. Slightly. It might be a better fit in Gallente. The wings are the biggest offender here: you could take them in a bit I guess. Maybe make it a little thinner and more vertical? Eh.

Omen: This is basically a stubbier Harby with one of the wings cut off. Cut the other one off to even it out.

Prophecy: Well, Amarr ships aren't usually as round as this and maybe it could be more drawn out, but I cannot believe that anyone could call this ugly when the Celestis exists Roll

Revelation: There really is absolutely nothing wrong with this one. Ugh
Autonomous Monster
Paradox Interstellar
#33 - 2011-11-22 12:35:41 UTC
Caldari in general: if asymmetry belongs anywhere in EVE, it's here. Not a huge fan of the "space box" aesthetic, but then I hear some people went for this race specifically for that reason. I like to imagine these are the same sort of people that willingly read Honor Harrington. Each to their own, I guess. Blink At worst, sometimes the design goes so asymmetry-crazy it gets a little lost, and some of the ships (I'm looking at you, Caracal) are so spindly they look like they'd fold up under a good sneeze, not to mention engine thrust. Structural integrity is not just for armour tankers! X

Bantam: ...there are no words. What is even going on here?

Blackbird: It looks alright, until you notice that that engine at the back isn't properly attached. Now, there are actually good reasons to have engines on struts for spacecraft; increased torque = faster turning. This is just plain daft. Get that properly attached, bring all the engines in a bit (just generally make it more compact), and I think we have a winner.

Caracal: As I said, if this takes a little bit of force in the wrong place it's going to go to pieces. I do, however, like the general shape. Thicker and more compact.

Condor: Maybe the neck could be thicker and maybe it could be more symmetrical but I'm not overly fussed by this one. It's a frigate.

Griffin: Again I like the general shape, it just feels too flimsy. And not by a great deal, I have to say.

Moa: Confession time, I happen to think this is one of the best looking ships in the entire Caldari line. Not my favourite line, granted, but I'm mystified by how much hatred this is getting. With a few tweaks here and there it could look ugly but practical- perfect Caldari Big smile

Osprey: Aaand straight from "one of" the best looking to "the best looking". What can I say, it just works for me.

Phoenix: It's boring, but there's nothing obviously ******** about this, so it passes my criteria for Caldari with flying colours.

Raven: ...yet another one of the best Caldari ships. Even before the remodel I liked this one, and now it's had all the stupid cut out it's more or less perfect. Lack of missile launchers is a *****, but that's not a problem with the Raven, is it?
Autonomous Monster
Paradox Interstellar
#34 - 2011-11-22 12:36:00 UTC
Gallente in general: as a rule, Gallente ships are highly attractive... except for one glaring flaw that ruins the whole thing. It's really rather bizarre how consistantly they **** it up Straight. The worst thing about them is probably the colours on T1 ships. The silver's too dull, and the cerulean is too cold and somber, and the two of them together don't have enough contrast. It doesn't pop, and I think the Gallente need to pop. Okay, so they're a million times better than what you get on the Caldari or the Minmatar, and I wouldn't even mention it if the the T2 colours, especially the V3'd ones, looked absolutely goddamn glorious. Duvolle: splenderous golden opulence. Roden: vibrant metallic reds and blacks (Have you seen the Roden Police Majors?!). Creodron: creepy understated mysterious black and green. The last is pretty interesting, actually; it looks like the body is black until it catches the light, which picks up a green sheen. I think that's how I'd like the T1 ships to look; silvery, and cerulean where it catches the light.

Atron: I have to say, I was more than a little disappointed when it turned out my racial 'ceptor was based on this Frankensteinian monster. (Happily, the Taranis is otherwise amazing, and it just got better Big smile) Why, exactly, does it look like it was stitched together from two different ships? (One of which appears to be the Velator of all things) honestly, either half could be good if complete, but mashed together like this it's just painful.

Brutix: The uneven mass distribution and the stubby little wings threw me when I first saw it, but it's grown on me. A lot. A lot. It's perfectly in every way, especially with the new textures.

Catalyst: ...what the hell is wrong with you? Whoever suggested this, biomass your characters immediately and do not darken my sight again. Evil

Celestis: Here it is, probably the ugliest ship in space. It's so ugly I'm not sure I can think of anything to fix it. Maybe... if we... rounded it out? So it was kind of egg shaped, tapering to the engine cluster? Maybe with a bunch of antenna sticking out in places for :ewar:? I got nothing.

Dominix: Oh boy, anyone who thinks the Domi is ugly now was clearly never exposed to it's pre-Trinity form (http://izlin.free.fr/eve/ships/dominix.jpg). That is my single overriding memory of Trinity: how much ugly the Domi had lost. That and "ZOMG the 'thron isn't gold anymore!" Now, you might be able to tempt me into voting for the streamlined version Nova Fox brought up in another thread, but I think the Domi looks exactly like what it says it is; "...one of the old warhorses dating back to the Gallente-Caldari War." Old, dowdy, but functional and competant.

Exequror: The only thing really wrong here is the engine cluster. That and the fact that it's useless as a logi and as a cargo cruiser- wait, cargo cruiser? WE'VE ALREADY GOT FIVE FRICKIN' INDYS @_@ But anyway, those engines. Obvious fix is obvious; even out the size of the engines and adjust their positioning. I favour an equilateral triangle, with two above and one below. Though I wouldn't be adverse to one above and two below.

Imicus: ...may have actually been updated. The model I am seeing on tranq does no match the one I remember on sisi... but the server's just updated and the patch isn't available yet. I think the new one's still ugly, though maybe it's supposed to be? Blink (Back on: I thought the leg had changed into a pod. It hasn't; maybe I'm thinking of something else)

Maulus: Ugh Easily one of the best looking frigates in the game. Easily one of the best looking ships in the game. It's like a demented angel fetus! I wish the Incursus looked half as sexy or as interesting.

Moros: ...is fine. It's big and bulky and meaty, exactly like a dread should be, and it pulls it off in a way that is distinctly Gallente. I am really beginning to wish that the original ships had benefitted from the art direction the later ones had, because it's great.

Myrmidon: Another one of the best ships in the line. I mean, they little nose thing is odd, but the worst thing about this are the rather desaturated colours. That's a problem it shares a lot with the Hyperion, actually. Too much silver. The V3 addresses this somewhat, but I'm not sure if it's actually improved or if it just looks patchwork now. Regardless, if you think this needs remodelling I think you need clinical help.

Obelisk: It's a freighter. It's obviously a freighter. It's obviously a Gallente freighter. Great ship, pity it's an industrial really Blink Actually, this one and a bunch of others were mentioned together as "too cyberpunk" for EVE. A) wtf does that even mean? And B), EVE is tonnes cyberpunk. It's probably the most cyberpunk space opera I've ever seen, and it synergises with those themes very well. Straight

Thorax: I think this, or the 'thron/Vexor, is my all-time favourite looking ship in the game. It looks like a penis- perfectly appropriate, as the entire point of a gankrax is to **** as many people as possible as quickly as possible. It looks like a rocket ship. It looks like space. It's got a weird looking back end and maybe it'd be nice to get that symmetrical, but even with the derpy engine pod thing it out-sexes 80% of the ships in the game at least. The only thing that makes me sad is the fact that the Phobos isn't flaming pink any more, and given how sexy the Roden skins are now I'm not sure I should complain. Big smile
Autonomous Monster
Paradox Interstellar
#35 - 2011-11-22 12:36:22 UTC
Minmatar in general: Ugh, I had never before realised how ugly some- all- of these ships are until I checked them out while writing this. They are hideous. Some of them are passable at a distance, and one of these days I might willingly board a 'cane, but for the most part they are firmly in, "affront to God and Man" territory. I was dithering over whether maybe they should look like flimsy pieces of ****, but then I saw the concept sketchs Andreus Ixiris linked Shocked. That 'phoon's a little too close to the 'cane for my liking, but that 'pest is spot on. Commence aes.thetic reorientation immediately.

Bellicose: Eh. So, on the one hand, obviously I disapprove of the thin overlong neck, etc. But those leg things... I think I actually like the idea there, if not the execution.

Cyclone: Nooo. The Cyclone is one of the few Minnie ships I can reliably recognise in the little lock items and the overview pic. It's highly distinctive, and I think as Minnie ships go it's not half bad. I even like the little ruff thing it's got going on.

Maelstrom: ...works for me. But there's something about the fins I don't like. Perhaps the lower ones could be shorter, and only one of them? And the upper ones... a little longer and slanted out? Eh, it'll work as is.

Rupture: Nice shape, shame about the everything else really Lol

Scythe: Y'know, for a ship called "Scythe" I was expecting something a little sharper looking. And, I think what's bugging me with the fins is having the majority of them clustered at the front like this. Relocated to the back half? Rest is mostly just your standard Minnie "made out of repurposed garbage containers" feel.

Stabber: Words fail me. Okay, that's a lie. There's the kernel of a good idea in here, maybe, but it's deep buried. It doesn't look very well integrated. It's too thin. (Trust in rust, etc.) Maybe this ship can move at 3+km/s, but I'd be too scared to try lest it fall to pieces. Smile I like the cobra hood on the Vagabond though, that thing's hilarious. Lol

Tempest: One of these ones that looks okay until you examine it too closely. That concept sketch is perfect.

Thrasher: I'm a fan of this one. It looks solid and the ruff is cute. What more could you want? Lol

Typhoon: ...not actually terrible. Like the Domi, I think there's a certain ponderous dignity to its unattractiveness. Well, I'll let the people who fly it decide. Blink
Autonomous Monster
Paradox Interstellar
#36 - 2011-11-22 12:37:07 UTC
WORDS Shocked

tl;dr: Amarr > Gallente > Caldari > Minmatar

Nuke the Celestis.
Commander A9
This Was The Way
Homicidal Tendencies.
#37 - 2011-11-22 14:46:37 UTC
Usually, I'm not a fan of asymmetrical ship designs, but it's space, so I can overlook that (just don't expect me to go planet-side in these things).

Ugly ships? Only two ships come to mind:

The Gallente Brutix and Vexor.

"/emote vomits"

Recommendations:

-enable ships wobbling in hangar view (pre-Captains Quarters)

-add more missions (NPC fleet vs. NPC fleets that actually shoot)

-STOP NERFING EVERYTHING!

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