EVE General Discussion

Sooooooo... the opinion of some **** on YouTube really matters? Sure, I think microtransactions are rather dumb if they give a clear advantage at something, but just because they are in the game doesn't mean they're totally bad. How else are companies going to pay for game development, especially if the game is free to play? Don't like games with microtransactions? Then don't play them.

He said an example where you can spend real money to gain an unfair advantage in eve THAT YOU CANT ACHIEVE THROUGH SPENDING ISK on the very same item.

Characters are sold for ISK, not plex. You must sell the plex (or 99% of the time, plexes) to get the ISK in order to buy a char. That makes it entirely valid for someone to rat/mine/plex/mission/manufacture/station trade/incursion their way up to having enough ISK to buy a character.

WoT isn't nearly as bad as you seem to think it is, gold ammo is BS, but you can buy it with in game credits too. Also what should be remembered is that gold ammo isn't actually all that useful, all it does is give you better armour penetration, and in the vast majority of situations when you shoot at someone it's either going to hit something you could easily penetrate anyway or it's going to bounce off regardless. Probably about 90% of gold ammo actually fired in that game is wasted. Where gold ammo is actually useful is to be used as an equalizer when facing tanks higher tier than yourself in unfavourable matchmaking to get through the armour that's tougher than what your gun is meant to be shooting at.

I still hate it... I wish it wasn't in the game but that's not (imo) the most pay to win thing about the game, it's the converting XP from 'elite' and premium tanks to allow you to totally skip the stock grind that everyone else has to deal with that's totally BS and will directly lead to you having better results and winning more often.

Anyways back to eve, IMO eve isn't pay to win because it's an inherently imbalanced environment to the point that conventional balance gets thrown out the window. You can't say for example a navy omen is better than a tristan when in fact a tristan in the right circumstances could kill a navy omen with ease. "paying to win" doesn't actually make you win, it's as simple as that.

Every single time. It becomes less about making new and awesome content and more about "let's take this, change it to pink and raise the price 5 bucks" content.

Pretty sure PLEX has that so there is actually already a use for it.

It's perfectly fine to make money off of your hard work; but despite popular opinion, greed is not good.

Personally, micro-transaction games make me feel like the company is trying to nickel & dime me to death. It's like getting your electric bill and seeing 50 dollars worth of "franchise fees" and "licensing fees" and "city tax" and "county tax" and "technology fee" and "nuclear power plant construction fee".... doesn't that kinda **** you off? That's how it makes me feel.

In the strictest sense, this is true. But it's not true in the traditional sense of the phrase Pay to Win.

A pay to win game lets you buy/create/expedite something with real cash, that is then just magiced in to the game. It scales linearly without regard.

EVE doesn't work like that. When you convert plex to isk and buy something with the isk, whether it's an item or a character, someone, somewhere had to put time and effort in to making the thing you're buying. Which means that you're simply re-adjusting the assets and items in the game world.

Yes, you personally might be better off than you were, but someone else is now worse off. And unlike in traitional p2w games, the game itself isn't any different on a large scale. The names of the owners have changed, and nothing more. Nothing was created out of nothing.

So basically people with lots of money pay other people minimum wage to do all the hard work while they sit back and sip champagne on their yachts.

Kind of like real life.

Well just like in real life, its not an equivalent exchange. The people who hold the money hold the power. They have a limited resource and they make other people work for that resource while often doing little of value to earn their wealth in the first place (trust funds, inheritance, stock market, usury).

No matter how much isk you make in game, you cannot create a PLEX without real money so you are dependent on people to use their real cash to do so.

Therefore people who spend the real money have the advantage over people who don't resulting in people working less than minimum wage to earn their monthly PLEX.

I'm not saying the system doesn't work just like in real life. Hell I enjoy profits from the stock market without doing little work of intrinsic value.

I am just saying its silly to say that people who spend cash on the game have no advantage over people that don't.

It means they spend less time earning isk and more time spending it. They can easily replace their losses while other people have to go back and mine, rat, and mission for a few hours to earn their money. Sure their are exceptions to this, but the majority of the players spend a great deal of time earning isk compared to the time actually spending the isk.

Therefore it is pay to win, but if you are playing for free then you shouldn't get upset. They pay the bills and development costs.

So the system works and should be left as is. However, don't say its not pay to win. Its only fair. They are paying for your game time.

If by 6 years or longer you mean less than 5 years, yes. And the statement is pretty easy to support seeing as how the things you buy for your money already have to exist in-game before you can buy them, otherwise it doesn't matter how much you try to pay. This means that the stuff you're paying for exists without paying for them, which defeats the entire notion of P2W: paying or not paying doesn't affect your “win” in the slightest.

So this game is so far down the list of P2W games that it's not even on the list — it doesn't even qualify for the “pay to” part, much less the “win” part.

…aside from everything in the game, that is, including said gang wars. The reason it doesn't matter is because no matter how much you pay, you're not getting any kind of advantage that other players don't already have.

PLEX serve no in-game function — only an out-of-game one that is inherently tied to payment: the continuation of a subscription.