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World of Darkness, same joke as duke nukem forever?.

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James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#41 - 2013-12-14 23:59:34 UTC  |  Edited by: James Amril-Kesh
I don't really get WoD or the pop culture obsession with vampires, but I think EVE players are awfully selfish (and not in a good way) to demand that CCP only develop EVE and EVE related games.

CCP shouldn't listen to EVE players about WoD. If they want to develop another game, it's their money and they have the right to.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)

Teinyhr
Ourumur
#42 - 2013-12-15 00:30:56 UTC
Montevius Williams wrote:
The EVE PLAYERS didn't want CCP working on WOD.



HAHAHAHAHAHAhahahaaaaa.... ow my sides. As I recall people were borderiline exstatic back in 2006 when the White Wolf merger was announced, especially along with the clause that CCP will develop a WoD MMORPG. Don't know how many of those players are still around, but oh boy did we want it.
I still want it. A lot. Will probably ditch EVE at least for a while in favour of WoD, which is possibly one of the reasons CCP's giving such a half assed effort in making the game.

I want it way way more than Valkyrie, because I don't want Valkyrie at all. I'll consume 1,5 kilograms of rice porridge in one sitting if Valkyrie ever makes back it's development costs, the money that could've been used to not lay off 15 people in Atlanta.
Scatim Helicon
State War Academy
Caldari State
#43 - 2013-12-15 00:58:41 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
Davon Mandra'thin wrote:
Scatim Helicon wrote:
Oberine Noriepa wrote:
Duke Nukem Forever was actually released, though.

Also there were people actually looking forward to it.


Because no one is looking forward to the next game release in the World of Darkness franchise. It's not like they have a massive cult following or anything. [/sarcasm]

It would appear even they aren't aware this game is in development.

Perhaps because, based on the available evidence, it isn't.

Every time you post a WiS thread, Hilmar strangles a kitten.

Sturmwolke
#44 - 2013-12-15 04:33:16 UTC
With EVE in semi-maintenance mode, adding another large risky project onto their list should never be an option, following Incarnagate 2008. DUST turned out pretty mediocre, not far off the mark from EVE forum predictions that was made years back. Now it's just too expensive to just ditch without trying to recover some of the investments. Wonder if the DUST revenues atm is sufficient to sustain the dev team (on its payroll), infrastructure/assets and other expenses indefinitely - plus some extra to pay off the investment. If they're still bleeding, then it'll be almost like suicide to start on WoD.

CCP's best strength is in making space themed games (with spaceships), they have little experience elsewhere. The cumulative experience of running a living, breathing, spaceship themed universe over the years is not easily replaced by new hires - despite what some might argue. Diversifying into WoD will be another make or break attempt, my thoughts personally. If they've dismissed many of the core Whitewolf personnel, it might even turn into a half-assed attempt. It takes time to build another castle.

I remembered an article I read that talked about how Word of Tanks (WoT) came about from its CEO. "Do what you do best, especially if you love doing it". A fairly common sense phrase that applies to everything, not limited to gaming. I'm guessing EVE Valkyrie has the potential to turn into a World of Spaceships like game, but CCP, as usual, loves shinies in terms of tech. They'd get the game bogged down in technicalities and client issues than produce anything solid that .... you know, just works. Smile
Destination SkillQueue
Doomheim
#45 - 2013-12-15 05:18:30 UTC
Sturmwolke wrote:
With EVE in semi-maintenance mode, adding another large risky project onto their list should never be an option, following Incarnagate 2008. DUST turned out pretty mediocre, not far off the mark from EVE forum predictions that was made years back. Now it's just too expensive to just ditch without trying to recover some of the investments. Wonder if the DUST revenues atm is sufficient to sustain the dev team (on its payroll), infrastructure/assets and other expenses indefinitely - plus some extra to pay off the investment. If they're still bleeding, then it'll be almost like suicide to start on WoD.

CCP's best strength is in making space themed games (with spaceships), they have little experience elsewhere. The cumulative experience of running a living, breathing, spaceship themed universe over the years is not easily replaced by new hires - despite what some might argue. Diversifying into WoD will be another make or break attempt, my thoughts personally. If they've dismissed many of the core Whitewolf personnel, it might even turn into a half-assed attempt. It takes time to build another castle.

I remembered an article I read that talked about how Word of Tanks (WoT) came about from its CEO. "Do what you do best, especially if you love doing it". A fairly common sense phrase that applies to everything, not limited to gaming. I'm guessing EVE Valkyrie has the potential to turn into a World of Spaceships like game, but CCP, as usual, loves shinies in terms of tech. They'd get the game bogged down in technicalities and client issues than produce anything solid that .... you know, just works. Smile

That last bit sort of reminds me why I could never really see how CCP could possibly believe what they had, as in actually had to show for, with DUST could attract any kind of large crowd. CCPs focus was never to make the best game possible. Their main push and marketing talk was all about getting in the console market and to make a game, that was impressive and experimental on the technical side. Every time I read that this is what I was reminded of. Mr. Burns and his words about his wondrous snow man. CCP was committing itself to produce something technically impressive, that on non-technical level looked and felt like a generic and mediocre scifi shooter. Like your typical naive MMO developer, that makes a WoW clone with a twist and thinks they've got a guaranteed hit on their hands.
Tau Cabalander
Retirement Retreat
Working Stiffs
#46 - 2013-12-15 07:51:08 UTC
Oberine Noriepa wrote:
Duke Nukem Forever was actually released, though.

Damn, I missed it. When was it announced? Roll
Digital Messiah
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#47 - 2013-12-15 08:42:32 UTC
You must of missed out on blizzards announcements and launch dates. Oh did I regret pre-ordering starcraft 2 three years before it's launch. There is a lot of development that goes into major titles. Be patient.

Something clever

Jarod Garamonde
Jolly Codgers
Get Off My Lawn
#48 - 2013-12-15 09:15:59 UTC
Abisha Baboli wrote:
oke, is World of darkness same joke as Duke Nukem forever?.
after like 3 year's their is still not even a single bit of information available about this MMO.


Yeah, except Duke Nukem Forever eventually did get released....

That moment when you realize the crazy lady with all the cats was right...

    [#savethelance]
Karrl Tian
Doomheim
#49 - 2013-12-15 11:13:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Karrl Tian
Scatim Helicon wrote:
Oberine Noriepa wrote:
Duke Nukem Forever was actually released, though.

Also there were people actually looking forward to it.


I, for one, can't wait to have my vampire character named XxxxEdwardCullenxxxX.

James Amril-Kesh wrote:
I don't really get WoD or the pop culture obsession with vampires



One possible explanation for the vamp-craze.

wrote:


but I think EVE players are awfully selfish (and not in a good way) to demand that CCP only develop EVE and EVE related games.

CCP shouldn't listen to EVE players about WoD. If they want to develop another game, it's their money and they have the right to.


Nu-uh, I give them $30 dollars a month for being allowed to play two accounts, that means I have total financial control over their multi-million dollar company.
Alphea Abbra
Project Promethion
#50 - 2013-12-15 12:15:10 UTC
Karrl Tian wrote:
I, for one, can't wait to have my vampire character named XxxxEdwardCullenxxxX.
Maybe, just maybe, those "people" will be put off by actual fans killing them everywhere all the time.
But on the other hand, they read those "books", so they must like suffering.
Meilandra Vanderganken
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#51 - 2013-12-15 14:38:22 UTC
I'm guessing CCP doesn't have the funds and/or the trust of investors to get them to develop it at this time, and for the foreseeable future.

They were doing 3 major projects at the same time: Dust, WoD and Incarna. I always said they were biting off more than they could chew and that it would threaten CCP's very existence. With the Incarna drama, that prediction proved true and they have been recovering ever since. I think it'll be at least a few years b4 CCP starts looking at major projects again.
Kuronaga
The Dead Parrot Shoppe Inc.
The Chicken Coop
#52 - 2013-12-16 05:46:54 UTC
Jarod Garamonde wrote:
Abisha Baboli wrote:
oke, is World of darkness same joke as Duke Nukem forever?.
after like 3 year's their is still not even a single bit of information available about this MMO.


Yeah, except Duke Nukem Forever eventually did get released....



Pardon me sir, but you appear to have an Oreo jammed in your eye socket.

May I have a lick?
Larry LowBlow
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#53 - 2013-12-16 08:45:28 UTC
Abisha Baboli wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Vidua Arte Album wrote:
Ramona McCandless wrote:
Oberine Noriepa wrote:

What happened to your hair... and your eyes? What?


All I can say is...


Booster Abuse is no joke, kids


Winners don't do Blue Pill, Crash, Nuke, Bittamucin, Dried Frog Pills, Endemol or Dreamy Sleepy Nighty Snoozy Snooze

That's....... :|


Ah c'mon, its a joke


that's just a low blow man.



As a LowBlow man I can confirm this.
Demica Diaz
SE-1
#54 - 2013-12-16 10:21:30 UTC
Not releasing any information does not always mean game development is dead or in big trouble. Quite many companies act same way until game is nearly done and PR campaign starts, then all the info and screenshots and whatnot is released. So I wouldnt put on my doomsayers cape just yet. Bear
Meilandra Vanderganken
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#55 - 2013-12-16 16:07:11 UTC
Demica Diaz wrote:
Not releasing any information does not always mean game development is dead or in big trouble. Quite many companies act same way until game is nearly done and PR campaign starts, then all the info and screenshots and whatnot is released. So I wouldnt put on my doomsayers cape just yet. Bear

We are talking about CCP, they give out presentations on stuff they haven't even thought of yet....

Trust me, WoD as it was planned has been shelved.
Stitcher
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#56 - 2013-12-16 16:11:08 UTC
Abisha Baboli wrote:
oke, is World of darkness same joke as Duke Nukem forever?.
after like 3 year's their is still not even a single bit of information available about this MMO.


Well, aside from that wonderful demo footage I got to watch at Fanfest...

DANG that thing was cool. You should have been there to see it. It was awesome.

AKA Hambone

Author of The Deathworlders

Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#57 - 2013-12-16 18:34:07 UTC
A few points:

Most pop tween vampire fangirls will be horrified by World of Darkness, and will likely be primary targets for the bulk of the player base.

I sincerely doubt CCP is going to make a big deal about the exact level of development WOD is at, too many people start making idiotic posts trying to tell CCP where they can spend their money whenever they do. However I don't think development is on hold either. It was rather firmly implemented into CCP's last video about their product lines.

DUSTs last expansion was well received by the players, and I'm noticing YouTube is starting to see the trickle of fan made video's grow exponentially.

CCP never claimed DUST would start off big, quite the contrary actually. Their game plan was to start off relatively small, and slowly build (expansion after expansion) just as EVE has. We'll see if this develops as predicted, but it's starting to look like it may actually follow that course.

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Sexy Cakes
Have A Seat
#58 - 2013-12-16 18:49:28 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
whatevs

it costs us nothing to wait


Time is the most valuable resource available to you.

Mal'canis who elected you to CSM anyway?

Not today spaghetti.

Barrogh Habalu
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#59 - 2013-12-17 04:52:03 UTC
Stitcher wrote:
Well, aside from that wonderful demo footage I got to watch at Fanfest...

DANG that thing was cool. You should have been there to see it. It was awesome.

Just how much awesome footage you guys have seen at fanfests that never actually seen the light? Oh right, every bit of ot.
Ranger 1
Ranger Corp
Vae. Victis.
#60 - 2013-12-17 17:29:07 UTC
Sexy Cakes wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
whatevs

it costs us nothing to wait


Time is the most valuable resource available to you.

Mal'canis who elected you to CSM anyway?

Because while you wait for future developments in this area you are unable to fruitfully use that time in other ways.... Smile

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